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Late to this convo, but why do so many people forget that politics has always been in Trek? Maybe they just need to rewatch some stuff they probably haven't seen since they were kids and didn't understand it all.
As long as its a statement that doesn't hit you over the head with how "woke" they are. You can go a long way being subtle. You start going out of the way to make a statement and you kill they point you are trying to make.
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Yea. The hard part, though, is that everyone has their own opinions about how much is "too much."
I dunno. Trek has never been subtle regarding politics. The usual way Trek dealt with "issues" was to basically club your over the head with a very didactic story. This is one of the reasons why historically Trek has been considered to be relatively family friendly - it wears its themes on its sleeves. Deep Space Nine was a lot more subtle regarding the conclusions you were supposed to draw, leaving it open to interpretation, but was just as open regarding the problems as any other Trek series.
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The main problem is that because there is such a large range of people in the world with different opinions, someone will always be mad at the choices Trek makes.
Yep, this
I think the worst offender is Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. I like TUC, don't get me wrong, but it's not the 23rd Century so much as it's "1991 in the 23rd Century". Everything was so 1:1 that I can't separate the movie from when it was made. Doubly worse as it's actually a time that I remember. Unlike with TOS and the 1960s where I didn't actually experience it and wasn't even born yet.
No matter what Picard wants to say, I don't think PIC will go as far as TUC. I think PIC will want to make a specific point about our times, whereas the mentality for TUC was "Let's have a stand-in for everyone!"
No matter what Picard wants to say, I don't think PIC will go as far as TUC. I think PIC will want to make a specific point about our times, whereas the mentality for TUC was "Let's have a stand-in for everyone!"
No idea, I mean Trek has the subtlety of a hammer over the head. It grabs your face and thrusts it at the problem and screams in your ear "see! SEE! this is wrong! You get it right! Just in case you don't get it, we might spend 5 minutes summing it up for you at the end of an episode!"
The only Trek that hasn't done this is *drumroll* Discovery. The nearest it got to that was a very even handed faith vs science (I would say too even handed), whereas TNG would scream in you ear "faith is stupid, stupid!"
The real reason they don't realise that would be a combination of nostalgia and that they themselves didn't have any real politics when they first watched it. Now they assume Star Trek has changed when its really them.
Yeah, I liked TUC but it was very analogous of real world events. And it didn't really fit, since the Klingons were never a 1:1 for Russia, even during the 60's.
TPTB are keeping fan service at a minimum:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/a...d-characters-patrick-stewart-rejected-1272204
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/a...d-characters-patrick-stewart-rejected-1272204
The problem is, for some people 'subtle' really means 'barely present to the point it can easily be ignored'. Those people won't be happy regardless.
I'd maybe accept an appearance by Q. They could even explain John de Lancie's aging as Q being older and wiser and presenting himself that way, if they wanted.
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