News Star Trek: Discovery Nominated for GLAAD Award

Don’t try to educate me about the life of LGBTQ people, I actually live it. My point, that you missed, wasn’t that I didn’t like that it was sad. It was that at the time, there was nothing but sad stories. Get that, NOTHING. Trek could have been bold and been positive in a time when no one was, but they played it safe and failed. Do I have to explain it to you again?

 

Yeah, it's kinda shit to have the one person in like 800 Star Trek episodes who is like you, face one of the most terrible fates. I just feel awful when watching that episode, and I'm out and everything.

I think, at the very least, "The Outcast" is an example of a product that has an intended message that's in favor of a group, but is not aimed at that group at all, but rather at everyone else. I'd prefer trans people not just being in message episodes (or like, a single message episode), though.

 

Where has anyone here done that?

 

I blame Rick berman. He may have made trek a powerhouse in the 90's but he was also a bigoted coward.

 

IIRC the writers were wanting to do more and Berman would always shut it down.

 

Del Arco found it "wonderful" in terms of representation, although they lacked the guts to do more. So now you know two

 

Living said life still doesn't give one an automatic right to happy endings/outcomes in fiction, Possum, no matter what era it is.

 

I'm sure AP knows that, and I would hope it was clear that they weren't saying that there should only be happy endings.

It's not a binary problem.

 

Exactly. Years ago, it was only sad endings. Now it's a mix as it should be and thankfully it doesn't get into misery porn to make cishet people feel better about themselves. But that seems to be going over some people's heads.

 

I have no idea how true this is, but I've heard that one of Gene Roddenberry's greatest regrets was that he didn't come around on LGBT issues until much later in life, and not pushing harder for representation in Trek.

 

Gene did promise a "gay episode" for TNG, but word had it that Berman quickly and quietly shoved that one under the carpet after Gene's death. Given how TNG handled this sort of thing, though... *cough* "The Outcast" *cough*... I'm not sure if I actually would have wanted that episode. I mean they probably would have messed it all up.

 

I for one speaking as a gay man dont care much for Outcast or Discovery