No. Just theories people have from the trailers and known knowledge about the Romulan situation from the JJVerse movies.
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Which is fine and well. But it's also possible to accommodate the canon view without considering it a coincidence.
ENT "Minefield" has the Romulans use the word Romulan for themselves - but it's not pronounced like it would in English, as Hoshi Sato points out. So it's quite possible that the Romulus/Remus myth is merely glued onto an alien homonym.
Yet T'Pol "corrects" Sato, evoking the English spelling. And in the future, we will learn that the planet is accompanied by a place called Remus. Artifacts of Universal Translation?
Perhaps not. After all, why wouldn't the two planets be named Romulus and Remus? Just because Earth happens to have a similar pairing? But Earth's Romulus and Remus may just as well be the copies, the imitations: for all we know, the myth originates with the Romulans, just like alien visitors were responsible for certain aspects of the ancient Greek culture. Or it originates with Vulcans, from before the Romulan exodus, making T'Pol so well versed in it even though she supposedly is not up to date on what happened to those who fled Vulcan.
Now that would be a fun thing to learn in the Picardverse of stories! Vulcans have always shown odd interest in Earthling affairs, just "happening to pass through" our solar system when Cochrane makes his warp flight, whilst previously spying on our culture from space... It probably is no coincidence that Vulcan is called Vulcan, either!
Timo Saloniemi
On screen citation needed please. The actual space seen on a galaxy class would allow you to fit 10 times that number in easily.
It's from memory alpha. Take it or leave it. I'm not going to watch the entire series to confirm it for you nor do i really care about the actual evac limit of a fictional starship.
How much is really "seen"? For all we know, vast areas are hollow and almost uninhabitable like on the USS Discovery or Kelvinverse Enterprise.
No evidence of such holes from the MSD
The main shuttle bay alone is about 2500 square metres. With stasis pods you could fit 15k people in there alone.
It’s from a footnote in the technical manual and is inconsistent with other evidence in the same manual.
The likely problem with evacuation is the number of people able to board the ship at any given time.
How much do background graphics really count, though? Discovery has the same cutaways and deck plans, but they've got the massive spaces shown nonetheless.
And the one time we saw the main shuttlebay open, it was a very small portion of the supposed massive space in the D's blueprints. Essentially a wider version of the smaller shuttlebays seen in other episodes.
Just playing devil's advocate here, but these are the people who reimagined the entire 23rd century and swapped out the classic USS Enterprise for a more modern-looking version. Nothing is sacred.
The manual may be stating the number of folks that would fit "comfortably" in a hypothetical situation.
(after all it is a manual written for civilian consumption, not the actual engineering blueprints/specs)
The actual number in a 'worst case' scenario seems likely to be much higher than 10k for a Galaxy Class starship.
(after all it is a manual written for civilian consumption, not the actual engineering blueprints/specs)
The actual number in a 'worst case' scenario seems likely to be much higher than 10k for a Galaxy Class starship.
The deal with the 15,000 figure is that it comes from "Ensigns of Command" where Picard attempts to evacuate that many in an apparent single sortie (15,253, to be exact, on top of the crew).
But the deal with that is that the figure obviously is a minimum one, not a maximum. That is, assuming that Picard was being realistic rather than merely desperate. Perhaps evacuating 15,000 at a time would lead to the horrible deaths of 3,500 of those during the first twelve hours? But nothing in the episode precludes the evacuating of 150,000 or 1,500,000, either. The only issue mentioned is that of getting the people aboard in the first place, within a very small time window.
And yes, "comfortably" may well feature in there - but it might also be that at the other end of the spectrum, the heroes could reduce the evacuees into comatose carcasses, easily stowed ten high on the corridors. Or into Kelvan polyhedrons, with the press of a very-little-used button. At the very least, the real world has examples of ships being crammed to ten times maximum capacity in crises, and that's with passenger ships; building dormitories in the holds of bulk or general goods freighters, the cargo decks of ro-ro ships or even the tanks of liquid or grain tankers would allow for much more severe "overcapacity" in percentage terms, and Starfleet's ships may be half freighters for all we know.
Timo Saloniemi
But the deal with that is that the figure obviously is a minimum one, not a maximum. That is, assuming that Picard was being realistic rather than merely desperate. Perhaps evacuating 15,000 at a time would lead to the horrible deaths of 3,500 of those during the first twelve hours? But nothing in the episode precludes the evacuating of 150,000 or 1,500,000, either. The only issue mentioned is that of getting the people aboard in the first place, within a very small time window.
And yes, "comfortably" may well feature in there - but it might also be that at the other end of the spectrum, the heroes could reduce the evacuees into comatose carcasses, easily stowed ten high on the corridors. Or into Kelvan polyhedrons, with the press of a very-little-used button. At the very least, the real world has examples of ships being crammed to ten times maximum capacity in crises, and that's with passenger ships; building dormitories in the holds of bulk or general goods freighters, the cargo decks of ro-ro ships or even the tanks of liquid or grain tankers would allow for much more severe "overcapacity" in percentage terms, and Starfleet's ships may be half freighters for all we know.
Timo Saloniemi
The galaxy is buzzing with ships. Not only would you have Starfleet, but also civilian ships from across the quadrant, the Romulans, the Klingons are Federation allies so would probably have to grin and bear it and be of assistance.
Not sure that evacuation would necessarily be a problem. Though it seems like the Hobus supernova is a much larger event than it was originally presented as. Wiping out not only Romulus, but also some of their colony worlds.
IIRC, the TNG Technical Manual states that large swaths of the Galaxy class interior haven't been developed for use yet. Plus a large portion of the interior is used for deuterium tanks. I don't have it handy at the moment.
Maybe if we chant @Rick Sternbach three times, he can come in and give us clarification of the Galaxy class capabilities. He co-wrote the TNG Technical Manual.
Besides, Unification made a point of showing that the people eating soup in that restaurant weren't evil. Picard even recognizes they are "nobody's enemy."
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Governments fight, civilians get caught in the crossfire.
An intrepid class may be better than a galaxy class for evacuating a planet, as the Intrepid could land, and people could board it like a train. A holoship would seem the best option though, it's enormous and can land.
In Ensigns, with no transporters, Loading all the Enterprise shuttlecraft to capacity, evacuation would take four weeks, four days.
That's a mere 479 a day, or 20 per hour, which seems remarkably low given the number of shuttles the D has. I suspect the NX-01 could transport that many in its shuttlepods! Maybe the unique atmospheric conditions reduce the duty cycle of the shuttles.
I wonder how much "safety parameters" play into that.An intrepid class may be better than a galaxy class for evacuating a planet, as the Intrepid could land, and people could board it like a train. A holoship would seem the best option though, it's enormous and can land.
In Ensigns, with no transporters, Loading all the Enterprise shuttlecraft to capacity, evacuation would take four weeks, four days.
That's a mere 479 a day, or 20 per hour, which seems remarkably low given the number of shuttles the D has. I suspect the NX-01 could transport that many in its shuttlepods! Maybe the unique atmospheric conditions reduce the duty cycle of the shuttles.
Perhaps when it comes down to the wire, they just cram folks in as tight as possible (not everybody gets a seat) and make mad dashes back and forth to the ship.
After all, starting that way, could set off a panic among the populace being evacuated.
This is exactly why I find indifference to the death of billions very disturbing, and not just in the instrumentalist way that "we would've lost against the Dominion without the Klingons." It's a basic ethical question. TUC was framed in part as a refutation of Kirk's "let them die!"
Except we're not talking containers or other stackable materials here we're talking living beings who need to eat, sleep, etc. during the trip; plus some personal belongings and equipment and materials to start a colony and survive while said colony is being constructed.
It does no good just to transport them to another planet to have them die because they don't have the means to survive/thrive when they get there.
Building a refugee camp on a federation world is fairly trivial for the 24th century. We manage to do it with hardly any resources.
For 24 hours to get from Romulus to a feredation class m planet, people can cram into cargo bays at a far higher density than "Up the Long Ladder". You could even stick them in stasis chambers like Voyager
The important part is to clear the danger zone (the area near the exploding star)
That then gives a longer time to move people around in a less hurried time.
One could surmise that there is some branch of Star Fleet that deals with relocating folks, kinda like a Federation Red Cross?
That there are people who stay with the displaced folks to help them survive.
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