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STAR TREK 4 BACK ON! Noah Hawley to write and direct
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You know this could also open the idea for something I have wanted and that is a Captain Uhura series only here a movie set in the Kelvinverse.
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So this movie could be from TNG universe after Picard left his commission of 1701-E, and we could get 1701-F with a young new fresh faces? Maybe a USS Enterprise who finally has a black Captain?
Who knows. There will probably be a different rumour doing the rounds by next month. As of now I can't see anything getting made.
Tbh, I'm not sure the audience will care about another trek movie, let alone one with unknowns. The main appeal of these movies is, now, the cast and there are many, actually, who wanted a fourth movie with them. It doesn't help that they are teasing news about it since years now so for some it's expected, and any news about a new movie is taken for granted it's a sequel with this cast. An understandable, yet wrong, assumption because years later, the cast is still relatively fresh in people's minds. I mean, I did read some complain when they recasted Spock for Discovery because they expected Quinto..and that wasn't even the same trek iteration!
But then again, this - along with the crazy stuff about Tarantino - tells me that one of the biggest problems of kelvin trek is Paramount&co desperately wanting to make a new, bigger, audience watch their movies (which is fine and makes sense), but they totally ignore those who already love kelvin trek.
Right after st 2009, I feel the studio tried to please everyone but those who made that movie successful and were excited about sequels. Didn't that, alone, make the sequels a bit doomed? Perhaps.
Even when they are trying to placate the 'fans' it's always the tos fans, including haters of kelvin trek, only; it's never the fans who like these movies: a 'fandom' that has old fans (always erased as such by some who make it seems liking both the old and new is mutually exclusive), but it actually includes people who weren't trek fans before but they are now.
Never in their interviews and promotion I got the feeling they cared about those people too.
I'm the first to say you shouldn't make a movie just for fans , I don't believe tptb is a slave to the fans. However, I also believe it makes no sense to want your movie to be more successful by catering to haters, or old fans who won't be on board either way, all the while alienating the audience you already have and thus the fans of your version of the thing. And then you complain when the movie underperforms?
Either they ignored the existence of their own audience or they took them for granted. A mistake either way.
Honestly, if I were to choose my captain it would be Uhura because she seems to be one of the most competent, reliable officers there, not to mention she's a balanced combo of Kirk's heart and Spock's logic.
That said, does Uhura even want to be a captain? Probably not. Occasionally being the acting captain yes. First officer? maybe. But captain as a career? I'm not sure it's what she necessarily would want to do versus keeping the role and job she had actually studied for. In a way, Spock too would be a great captain but he also is, first foremost, a science officer.
I feel there is this idea among some fans, no doubt exacerbated by how tptb saw Kirk in tos (see Gerrold saying that Uhura&co were only functions of the ship and only the captain matters), that the only protagonist, the only important character, has to be/can only be the Captain. Nowadays it's a bit outdated tbh, but I remember that there were complains about Discovery too when they revealed that the protagonist wasn't the captain.
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This might be the right time to drop that Tarantino Trek if it was ever to happen. Do some one timer palette cleanser that would get everyone talking and that will have people expecting a direction change afterwards to wherever they want to go with it.
The only way that works is if the subsequent film is pre-queued.
The problem with this entire franchise has been Paramount's unwillingness to build momentum. They planted the tent pole but waited four years to raise the canvas and another three years to drive the stakes.
**And that's the issue with a would-be fourth film. To put it in perspective, a year from now we'll be as far removed from ST09 as TUC was from TMP.
The problem with this entire franchise has been Paramount's unwillingness to build momentum. They planted the tent pole but waited four years to raise the canvas and another three years to drive the stakes.
**And that's the issue with a would-be fourth film. To put it in perspective, a year from now we'll be as far removed from ST09 as TUC was from TMP.
The Doomsday Machine should be showing up, soon. And the Space Ameba. These should not be affected by the time shift since they have been in transit well before the Kelvin incident. But I assume that old-Spock recorded these events and how to defeat them.
I'm not sure you need big name stars for a Trek movie. I mean look at the Star Wars movie. You didn't have any big stars in that. Closest you got is everyone knew the one dude from "Girls" and of course the classic actors. Even the Kelvinverse didn't really have move stars. Simon Pegg Zoe Saldano was the biggest names. What you did have was a strong list of known character actors. Which I assume they would get again. I do think they would have a bridge character though. Much like Nimoy Spock was their to give credibility to Kelvinverse. You could maybe get Shatner or Stewart or someone who demands respect from the audience.
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Now That's the sort of spinoff I could go with,
though I still want the next film to be the full crew of the enterprise.
Been super busy lately so just saw the news about the new Trek movie not being a sequel to Beyond. (If this ends up being true.)
I really shouldn't be surprised that Paramount continues to make stupid-a$$ decisions when it comes to this franchise, but it just blows my mind. They had an amazing cast and I just get the feeling what this all boils down to is not wanting to pay them, hence the new (probably cheaper) cast. I really won't be very interested in some random Trek spin off and definitely not enough to see it in theaters. The Kelvin trek and cast is what made me a Trek fan and even though we got three films, it feels like there is so much more they could've done with this cast. It really is a shame.
I really shouldn't be surprised that Paramount continues to make stupid-a$$ decisions when it comes to this franchise, but it just blows my mind. They had an amazing cast and I just get the feeling what this all boils down to is not wanting to pay them, hence the new (probably cheaper) cast. I really won't be very interested in some random Trek spin off and definitely not enough to see it in theaters. The Kelvin trek and cast is what made me a Trek fan and even though we got three films, it feels like there is so much more they could've done with this cast. It really is a shame.
That is the main reason I didn't enjoy Beyond. They sucked out all the drama and relationships and left only the pew-pew as you call it. But that's an off topic rant of mine!
I'd love to see spin offs of kelvin trek, but I think it would be more wise to leave that to a streaming service thing at first, so that it would be more safe to introduce new characters that way.
I dunno, the more I think about it, the more I think this cast is great and beloved to new fans, and the kelvin version of these characters didn't get enough. Tbh, I hoped that after Beyond they'd resolve the nostalgia thing a bit and finally start to do something with them that isn't 'they aren't the tos characters yet but X will happen because it happened in tos and old fans complain about change so we need to reassure them everything is still the same'.
But Paramount&co clearly don't have any consideration of the fans who liked their thing (irony).
Some here might think your description is over the top and unfair but I get the bitter hyperbole.
Of course, Beyond does have the relationships and drama.. there are some good moments. The issue is the director didn't, in my opinion, care about these characters. They are just placeholders for him.
I know he cut some of the character moments not because he wanted to change the story, but because he probably took for granted what you have in the movie is 'enough'. The script isn't online, but let's say that the Uhura/Sulu scene John Cho mentioned was cut isn't the only 'heart' moment sacrificed.
Anyway, even if the new director made a sequel with this cast, I'm not sure he'd really make a respectful continuation. His comments are, as usual, the comments of the new guy who preaches about his own vision and accidentally or not, the subtext of that kind of comment seems to always be the same: I don't care about the other movies.
To me, it's perfectly natural that a new team wants to do its own thing ..the problem is that, with sequels, there should be a small 'vision' shared by the creative team. If you are making a continuation you should love the other movies a bit. You should be like.. omg I can't wait to continue the story of these characters. That person should be inspired by the first movies in the series, not merely see them as something to surpass.
I dunno, the more I think about it, the more I think this cast is great and beloved to new fans, and the kelvin version of these characters didn't get enough. Tbh, I hoped that after Beyond they'd resolve the nostalgia thing a bit and finally start to do something with them that isn't 'they aren't the tos characters yet but X will happen because it happened in tos and old fans complain about change so we need to reassure them everything is still the same'.
But Paramount&co clearly don't have any consideration of the fans who liked their thing (irony).
Some here might think your description is over the top and unfair but I get the bitter hyperbole.
Of course, Beyond does have the relationships and drama.. there are some good moments. The issue is the director didn't, in my opinion, care about these characters. They are just placeholders for him.
I know he cut some of the character moments not because he wanted to change the story, but because he probably took for granted what you have in the movie is 'enough'. The script isn't online, but let's say that the Uhura/Sulu scene John Cho mentioned was cut isn't the only 'heart' moment sacrificed.
Anyway, even if the new director made a sequel with this cast, I'm not sure he'd really make a respectful continuation. His comments are, as usual, the comments of the new guy who preaches about his own vision and accidentally or not, the subtext of that kind of comment seems to always be the same: I don't care about the other movies.
To me, it's perfectly natural that a new team wants to do its own thing ..the problem is that, with sequels, there should be a small 'vision' shared by the creative team. If you are making a continuation you should love the other movies a bit. You should be like.. omg I can't wait to continue the story of these characters. That person should be inspired by the first movies in the series, not merely see them as something to surpass.
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Meh,
I don't care what people think of my opinion. It is what it is, and I didn't get into why I think that because its off topic to the current discussion and I don't like derailing thread topics with rants. Don't get me wrong, its not unwatchable, it was just hugely disappointing after the previous film, which had a lot more of the connections between characters and overall emotion balanced with the action. And instead of continuing that, they chose to ignore it. It really left me feeling like 
They missed so many opportunities to really dig into the characters in exchange for action scenes. Honestly Lin met my expectations as director of that film. Sadly.Surpass or ignore or be ashamed of, I Totally agree with that. Some of Lin's comments gave me the feeling he was embarrassed to be following ID and he'd rather pretend it never happened. Which alienates all the people who actually enjoyed the film, flaws and all.
the return and now prolific output of 'Prime' Trek has probably help put pay to the kelvinverse (both Quentin and this Legion guys film were/are probably "Prime" set) and of course the Hemsworth ST4 falling apart due to budget/fees. its kind of strange to think just a few short years ago the Primeverse was totally dead while the kelvinverse was Treks torchbearer
In this NYT article it sort of mentions Beyond underperforming put the brakes on the film franchise and then focus on TV
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/16/arts/television/star-trek-picard.html
In this NYT article it sort of mentions Beyond underperforming put the brakes on the film franchise and then focus on TV
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/16/arts/television/star-trek-picard.html
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I guess that's why you should never say never, even to another Kelvinverse movie. Give them a decade or two and they'll be back to reboot The Undiscovered Country.
So would it be a good choice to have DISCO move to motion pictures? It already has a built in audience like the previous shows, TOS and TNG, and it's boosting subscriptions according to CBS. Could DISCO be a likely choice to keep the movie franchise going?
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