Spoilers Picard Prequel "Children of Mars"

[Alan Roi]

They used a very distinct looking ship that was used as a Disco era ship on this very same season of Short Treks. It is pretty absurd if they assumed that people wouldn't notice and make that connection. You really don't need to be a starship wonk to notice it, you merely need to have some basic shape recognition skills. I really don't understand how people who do not see these things can even follow Star Trek. Do you get confused in the Original films because you cannot tell Enterprise and Excelsior apart?

Did you get confused that you might be watching a TOS movie when you see an Excelsior show up on the screen (Because they show up a lot in next century Berman era eps.

 

[Alan Roi]

For a fair comparison, we'd have to see the first actual episode. This was just a Short Trek.

True. But the way Star Trek has done things historically, when it is filmed is the primary driver of its aesthetic. We'll see if Picard bucks that trend.

 

[Nerys Myk]

They used a very distinct looking ship that was used as a Disco era ship on this very same season of Short Treks. It is pretty absurd if they assumed that people wouldn't notice and make that connection. You really don't need to be a starship wonk to notice it, you merely need to have some basic shape recognition skills. I really don't understand how people who do not see these things can even follow Star Trek. Do you get confused in the Original films because you cannot tell Enterprise and Excelsior apart?

Still not a callback.

Those are hero ships. The stars not the extras. I'm not gonna commit them to memory just like I'm not gonna commit an NDC at the science station to memory. I'm just not that interested in that stuff. Maybe that makes me a bad fan, but I can live with that.

 

[JoeZhang]

The start of this thread is pretty funny in retrospective - What could an Episode called "Children of Mars" be about?

Caller number one makes a strong statement:

It has nothing to do with the planet Mars. Romulus and Remus were the sons oft the god Mars in Roman mythology.

While another chips in:

for the life of me I can’t understand why people still think that’s what the title refers to. As has already been pointed out, the children of Mars were Romulus and Remus. In a show about Romulans, it’s an awfully big leap to assume that the title instead references the planet Mars based purely on a split second glimpse of a brown planet in the trailer.

And so on:

I think they are Romulan refugee ships heading toward Vulcan, and that they just used a CGI model of Mars as a stand in. But we’ll find out in a few months who is correct.

and so on:

There have been lots of red planets in Trek history -- Vulcan being the most prominent. Are we even sure it's Mars in the trailer?

and as we saw more..

I wasn't expecting Children of Mars to involve literal children.

 

[Longinus]

Did you get confused that you might be watching a TOS movie when you see an Excelsior show up on the screen (Because they show up a lot in next century Berman era eps.

If all the previous episodes of the show had been set in the TOS movie era and there was no single recognisable 24th century ship, uniform, graphic or other such obvious visual cue in sight I probably would have. And so would have you.

 

[cooleddie74]

Frankly blowing the budget on music wouldn't be the stupidest thing that Short Treks has ever done.

 

[Longinus]

Frankly blowing the budget on music wouldn't be the stupidest thing that Short Treks has ever done.

Unless it was for Bowie! Then it would be completely justified!

 

[Tosk]

Normally I'd point out that it's usually a lot cheaper to do a cover of a song than to use the original recording...but then they went and used the Peter Gabriel version of the song anyway.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

They just wanted to say, "Hey! Look! We've got Starfleet ships! And see that Dry-Dock Looking thing?"

If it makes anyone feel better, the size of that drydock suggests that there's probably a Starfleet ship big enough to fill the whole thing, ergo 24th century era.

 

[urbandk]

Normally I'd point out that it's usually a lot cheaper to do a cover of a song than to use the original recording...but then they went and used the Peter Gabriel version of the song anyway.

FWIW, I think PG's cover is more effective than the DB original would have been

And lest you doubt my Bowie bona fides...

 

[Alan Roi]

FWIW, I think PG's cover is more effective than the DB original would have been

And lest you doubt my Bowie bona fides...

I prefer the Wallflowers version myself. But Gabriel's version fits with the current trend of taking any given highish energy song from the 70s-80s and turning them into funeral dirges.

 

[fireproof78]

Bowie is not worth it.

 

[Longinus]

Bowie is not worth it.

Philistine!

 

[fireproof78]

Philistine!

I never claimed otherwise

 

[Noname Given]

Why they could’ve used the Galaxy-class which is era specific and they already had the CGI elements for. They could’ve tucked it in the background and not even needed to change the name.

For the same reason we saw a redesigned 1701 in ST: D (Yes, there were plenty of good CGI models of the original 1701 available).

They want to do what they feel is a 'modern' take and not be beholden to 33 - 55 year old production choices.

 

[Danja]

FWIW, I think PG's cover is more effective than the DB original would have been

Care to lay odds that this is going to be Picard's theme song?

It fits the theme of Picard's clutch of misfits (cf., two former SF officers, a former Borg drone, a teenage Romulan swordsman, etc.) being "heroes".

Normally I'd point out that it's usually a lot cheaper to do a cover of a song than to use the original recording...but then they went and used the Peter Gabriel version of the song anyway.

Streaming fees are relatively cheap (there was a reason Prince didn't want his music streamed while he was alive).

 

[Nerys Myk]

Bowie is not worth it.

 

[BillJ]

For the same reason we saw a redesigned 1701 in ST: D (Yes, there were plenty of good CGI models of the original 1701 available).

They want to do what they feel is a 'modern' take and not be beholden to 33 - 55 year old production choices.

But we've already seen the Galaxy class in the Picard trailers, with no discernible changes.

 

[Noname Given]

But we've already seen the Galaxy class in the Picard trailers, with no discernible changes.

Yeah just like the hologram of the Klingon D-7 in the trailers leading up to the premiere of ST: D Season 2 last year. (BTW the actual Klingon D7 model they ultimately came up with was close; but had some significant changes when it finally appeared in an episode.)

 

[BillJ]

Yeah just like the hologram of the Klingon D-7 in the trailers leading up to the premiere of ST: D Season 2 last year. (BTW the actual Klingon D7 model they ultimately came up with was close; but had some significant changes when it finally appeared in an episode.)

Considering we've also seen Ten Forward, I think they learned their lesson about making unneeded changes to the universe.