Villains in the Picard Series

[Blooded]

I'm just wondering if Kurtzman, etc. are going to go for some kind of synergy between Discovery and Picard, that they might use the Picard series to plant the seeds for the evil Federation that I suspect the Discovery crew will face in Season 3.

The shows are about 800 years apart, aren't they? Nothing that Star Trek: Picard does with the Federation/Starfleet (on a good guy/bad guy level) will impact Discovery in any way.

Look back that far in our own history. That's the kind of distance from events that we are talking about.

 

[DarKush]

The shows are about 800 years apart, aren't they? Nothing that Star Trek: Picard does with the Federation/Starfleet (on a good guy/bad guy level) will impact Discovery in any way.

Look back that far in our own history. That's the kind of distance from events that we are talking about.

So; are you saying the Roman Empire doesn't affect our world today?

 

[eschaton]

I'm just wondering if Kurtzman, etc. are going to go for some kind of synergy between Discovery and Picard, that they might use the Picard series to plant the seeds for the evil Federation that I suspect the Discovery crew will face in Season 3.

I can't see them making the Federation completely bad in Picard (Section 31 is out there and Starfleet has been replete with bad admirals, and we also have the neural parasites, Changelings, and Species 8472 that could be culprits), but we might see the start of it. I don't see them wanting to handcuff the Picard series creatively, but however Discovery is going to depict the future will do that already to some extent. If the Federation is no more, or evil way in the future, that could lead to some feeling that whatever happened in the old shows or Picard's series might not matter. I don't see it that way necessarily, and when it comes to Picard, part of the interest for me will be to see the personal journey for him and the TNG, and hopefully other 24th century Trek characters, beyond Seven. Perhaps Picard's series will serve as a prequel of sorts for Discovery Season 3.

I do hope they keep things relatively vague when it comes to the Federation's future on Picard, but at the same time I don't see why CBS wouldn't push for more synergy between their series. I think it might strengthen them. Picard's series could set things up, and Discovery could explore them further.

I'm fairly certain although the Federation will be fallen in Discovery's third season, it won't have "gone evil" first.

I mean, there's plenty of hints in the Discovery trailer that in the future, the Federation is seen as some sort of impossible past dream. But a dream, not a nightmare. If the Federation went all evil empire before it fell, it wouldn't be looked at fondly by the future Alpha Quadrant residents. They'd look back not to the good old days of the 23rd/24th centuries, but all of the bad days that happened afterward - and be quite content that it has been consigned to the dust bin of history.

Kurtzman has been pretty clear that he doesn't want to have a lot of crossover between the different Star Treks. He thinks the way you avoid franchise fatigue is by having every slow vary dramatically in terms of theme and tone. So I wouldn't expect anything about Picard's first season and Discovery's third season to dovetail. Maybe a few little nods to remind people they're in the same continuity, but that's all.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Palpatine. If they can shoehorn him back into Star Wars, they can shoehorn him into Picard!

 

[ITDUDE]

I kinda hope they steer clear of Section 31, if only to avoid the shitshow that's sure to commence here....

Just think of it as job security

 

[ITDUDE]

The shows are about 800 years apart, aren't they? Nothing that Star Trek: Picard does with the Federation/Starfleet (on a good guy/bad guy level) will impact Discovery in any way.

Look back that far in our own history. That's the kind of distance from events that we are talking about.

Oh I guarantee it they will somehow tie Discovery into Picard somehow. From best case scenario, just mention Discovery as that ship that blew up long time ago, to worse case scenario where Discovery ‘shrooms in to save Picard and crew.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Just think of it as job security

On the contrary, I look forward to the day when Gotham no longer needs me, and I can hang up my cape and cowl forever.

 

[Jayson1]

The real villain might be father time. I wonder if they are going to play up Picard being old and near death and in essence put a ticking clock on the show were he knows he doesn't have much time to help this girl and fix this problem before he dies.


Jason

 

[The Overlord]

The real villain might be father time. I wonder if they are going to play up Picard being old and near death and in essence put a ticking clock on the show were he knows he doesn't have much time to help this girl and fix this problem before he dies.


Jason

Not to belabor the point, I am pretty sure the trailer is pointing towards a villain, with Black OP agents chasing that girl and a Borg cube being transformed into a Romulan prison camp.

 

[Jayson1]

Not to belabor the point, I am pretty sure the trailer is pointing towards a villain, with Black OP agents chasing that girl and a Borg cube being transformed into a Romulan prison camp.

I know they will have a physical threat of course but I was thinking more in terms of a overall theme of the show. Picard's personal race against time takes priority over the plot driven stuff of the technical bad guys.


Jason

 

[The Overlord]

I know they will have a physical threat of course but I was thinking more in terms of a overall theme of the show. Picard's personal race against time takes priority over the plot driven stuff of the technical bad guys.


Jason

But that's more of a theme than a villain. Kirk getting older was a theme of Wrath of Khan, but Khan was the villain.

Picard getting older will be a theme, but those Black Ops guys and the Romulan prison camp operators are the villains driving the plot.

 

[Rhodan]

The Fedaration being more villainous could have one simple explination... Most of it´s enemies are now effectively gone. Hobus was practically Sloan´s wet dream.

 

[Paul Weaver]

With no superpower to keep them in check, and to impress the galaxy with how the federation is better than the others, the federation caves in to dilithium mining companies wanting to “rebuild Romulus”. They use an attack by the breen on mars as an excuse to invade first tzenkethi then tholian space. A large percentage of federation citizens think the attack was actually by the thoilians.

Season 2 will have the federation assassinating a Gorn leader, where the federation president insists was a very bad man, responsible for many many deaths on cestus 3, and the federation VP states he was involved in the mars attack.

 

[picardjean-luc]

The Romulans with the Federation being complicit.

And we'll find out Section 31 has taken over Starfleet once again. Hence why it was complicit when the Romulans decided to start experimenting with Borg tech to create new superweapons -- as hinted in the trailers.

The Fedaration being more villainous could have one simple explination... Most of it´s enemies are now effectively gone. Hobus was practically Sloan´s wet dream.

Sloan would've probably smiled inside his grave when he found out about the outcome of the Dominion War (the Dominion was neutralized while the Cardassians were wiped out), the neutralization of the Borg by Janeway, and the Hobus supernova (Romulans were taken out)).

 

[Lord Garth]

And we'll find out Section 31 has taken over Starfleet once again. Hence why it was complicit when the Romulans decided to start experimenting with Borg tech to create new superweapons -- as hinted in the trailers.

I don't think so. And this is why: Corrupt Admirals love Section 31 and they love that thing that infested Starfleet Command in "Conspiracy" (TNG). It gives them scapegoats if something goes wrong. No. It would be more compelling if Starfleet Proper had actually gone down a corrupt path all by itself.

Also consider that PIC is using enemies that DSC never used: the Borg and the Romulans. DSC S2 already used Section 31, and it's getting its own series, so PIC doesn't need them. Starfleet's corruption doesn't need to be influenced by Section 31, it can be corrupt on its own.

If the Romulans really did take the Federation by surprise and has them at a disadvantage, then the Federation will do whatever it can to keep from being obliterated. So, they'll do what the Romulans say if that's what it takes to survive. The Federation, while it hasn't fallen in PIC, looks like it'll be submissive.

Frankly, I think the Romulans have been interested in Borg Technology ever since "The Neutral Zone" where it's heavily implied in "Q Who?" that they're the ones who attacked System J-25. And it would be completely within the character of the Romulans to keep quiet about it for decades.

 

[The Overlord]

The Fedaration being more villainous could have one simple explination... Most of it´s enemies are now effectively gone. Hobus was practically Sloan´s wet dream.

Except just because the Romulans suffered a blow doesn't mean they are out of the game.

Look at 21st-century warfare, where a superpower nation has to deal with nonstate entities doing hit and run tactics and asymmetrical warfare. The lack of a homeworld may make Romulan extremists more desperate and use Borg tech to achieve their aims of rebuilding their Empire, but there is no homeworld were they can be tracked to, they can be anywhere in the galaxy now.

 

[Reanok]

I think the Romulans will be some of the major villians in the series Narek looks like he'll be one of them to learn all of Dahj's secrets when he's tallking to the other Romulan woman in one of the previews.The romulans are cold calculating and dangerous enemies and ruthless to get there way against Starfleet or Picard I'm curious about what they wanted with the borg ship and all the borg drones and technology during season one of Picard.

 

[NCC-73515]

They even tried to invade Vulcan with just a few small ships in a trojan horse style attack, thinking that they'll take over in the first wave of confusion and hold their ground then, so an invasion of Mars probably seems reasonable to them.

 

[Cake]

The Federation

I fear the same. I suspect they set up the fall of the Federation. Not in one big war or something like this, but more in the way the Roman Empire perished with infighting and decadence, losing of morals, etc. which will lead to members leaving over time and the rest being a shadow of the past. I really don't want this, but the trailers really give me this impression. It also fits in with interviews how they want to do something completely different than TNG and making the future far crappier would be it.

 

[Cake]

I'm fairly certain although the Federation will be fallen in Discovery's third season, it won't have "gone evil" first.

I mean, there's plenty of hints in the Discovery trailer that in the future, the Federation is seen as some sort of impossible past dream. But a dream, not a nightmare. If the Federation went all evil empire before it fell, it wouldn't be looked at fondly by the future Alpha Quadrant residents. They'd look back not to the good old days of the 23rd/24th centuries, but all of the bad days that happened afterward - and be quite content that it has been consigned to the dust bin of history.

Kurtzman has been pretty clear that he doesn't want to have a lot of crossover between the different Star Treks. He thinks the way you avoid franchise fatigue is by having every slow vary dramatically in terms of theme and tone. So I wouldn't expect anything about Picard's first season and Discovery's third season to dovetail. Maybe a few little nods to remind people they're in the same continuity, but that's all.

The British Empire, Roman Empire, Ancient Greece, ancient Macedonia, Mongol Empire, the biggest Chinese dynasties and so many more old powerful empires and kingdoms of the past were never reall good to begin with. After all they only became big and powerful, because they waged war on others, conquered and stole foreign land and valuables and killed, enslaved and raped tons of people along the way. Their descedants are often nevertheless proud of the achievements of their ancestors. I think they blend out the nasty bits and concentrate on the more positive parts. I don't see why humans during DIS season 3 couldn't do the same and the Federation was at least once really good which should make it easier to concentrate on the good parts.