Ugh. Enough with the "evil Federation" and "evil Starfleet Admiral"!
Villains in the Picard Series
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Ugh. Enough with the "evil Federation" and "evil Starfleet Admiral"!
Sure, bad admirals are a TNG staple, fro Jameson to Dougherty.
DS9 got in on the act with Letyon and even Ross’s section 31 support.
Voyager didn’t have many, just Paris (who should have refused his post as a conflict of interest).
But from Cartwright to Pressman, admirals in Trek tend to be assumed bad. Starfleet, and the federation, generally aren’t though - with the exception of the federation council in insurrection.
DS9 got in on the act with Letyon and even Ross’s section 31 support.
Voyager didn’t have many, just Paris (who should have refused his post as a conflict of interest).
But from Cartwright to Pressman, admirals in Trek tend to be assumed bad. Starfleet, and the federation, generally aren’t though - with the exception of the federation council in insurrection.
The vibe from the trailers certainly makes it seem that Starfleet will be playing an antagonistic role here, whether or not they're portrayed as outright villains. And yeah, with all the corrupt flag officers in TNG-era Trek, you can't say that the foundation wasn't laid there.
The Federation might be the bad guys but if they are I am sure they will give them some motivations. Also one angle to go is Starfleet in the bad guys but not the Federation or maybe Starfleet Security. I would toss in Section 31 but I don't know. That would continue to set them for the Georgou show by introducing the concept to new fans but they might also want to avoid it because they don't want to explore them on two shows.
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I kinda hope they steer clear of Section 31, if only to avoid the shitshow that's sure to commence here.... 
This is one area where I hope they honour the promise that Picard won't be TNG 2.0!...
I kinda hope they steer clear of Section 31, if only to avoid the shitshow that's sure to commence here....
I am kinda sick of them at this point, they played a big role in Discovery season 2 and Into Darkness. I feel like their schtick this played out this point. I would rather see someone else as the antagonist.
I am hoping for Romulans, I feel like of all the major Star Trek civilizations they are the least developed and after Nemesis and Star Trek 2009 they are in a more interesting spot than the Borg or any badmiral would be. I do not think the Romulans as a civilization has been given a chance to shine in this franchise.
As villains: I think the Romulans and elements of the Federation are sufficient. It'll be nice to have the Borg in a different kind of story where they're not the villains.
Oh no, did they finally wake up and wanna mediate everything now?
I agree with those who feel the Federation will be the big bad, eventually. I think it will tie into Discovery Season 3 with the Federation, or it's successor, also being the big bad.
Other than that, I see the Borg, some Romulans (I would be fine seeing Sela again, but also Tebok and Toreth as villains as well) as villains. I would like to see Donatra show up as an ally. I was be totally cool with them creating a new Romulan antagonist (putting my bid in for it to be Jeffrey Combs. I would like CBS All Access to cast more of Trek veterans in supporting, recurring, or guest roles. Like it would've been nice to see Tony Todd, J.G. Hertzler, Robert O'Reilly, etc. playing Klingons during the Discovery Season 1 Klingon war arc or the Klingon politics subplot in Season 2).
I doubt we will see him, but I would like to see Madred again.
Other than that, I see the Borg, some Romulans (I would be fine seeing Sela again, but also Tebok and Toreth as villains as well) as villains. I would like to see Donatra show up as an ally. I was be totally cool with them creating a new Romulan antagonist (putting my bid in for it to be Jeffrey Combs. I would like CBS All Access to cast more of Trek veterans in supporting, recurring, or guest roles. Like it would've been nice to see Tony Todd, J.G. Hertzler, Robert O'Reilly, etc. playing Klingons during the Discovery Season 1 Klingon war arc or the Klingon politics subplot in Season 2).
I doubt we will see him, but I would like to see Madred again.
I think it would be a huge mistake to imply with Picard that the fall of the Federation began in his time period. Maybe you want to hint at some danger of ossification within the structure, so the outcome is uncertain. But you don't want to make it seem like nothing Picard and his motley crew matter, which would assuredly be the case if it's established the beginning of the crapsack world of Discovery Season 3 is just around the horizon.
I mean - to use a historical analogy - there would be a big difference between setting up a drama covering the Roman world which happened Just after the death of Marcus Aurelius and one set after the final partition of the Empire. The first was going through a dark time, but would rally again to greatness. The second was pretty much totally boned.
I'm just wondering if Kurtzman, etc. are going to go for some kind of synergy between Discovery and Picard, that they might use the Picard series to plant the seeds for the evil Federation that I suspect the Discovery crew will face in Season 3.
I can't see them making the Federation completely bad in Picard (Section 31 is out there and Starfleet has been replete with bad admirals, and we also have the neural parasites, Changelings, and Species 8472 that could be culprits), but we might see the start of it. I don't see them wanting to handcuff the Picard series creatively, but however Discovery is going to depict the future will do that already to some extent. If the Federation is no more, or evil way in the future, that could lead to some feeling that whatever happened in the old shows or Picard's series might not matter. I don't see it that way necessarily, and when it comes to Picard, part of the interest for me will be to see the personal journey for him and the TNG, and hopefully other 24th century Trek characters, beyond Seven. Perhaps Picard's series will serve as a prequel of sorts for Discovery Season 3.
I do hope they keep things relatively vague when it comes to the Federation's future on Picard, but at the same time I don't see why CBS wouldn't push for more synergy between their series. I think it might strengthen them. Picard's series could set things up, and Discovery could explore them further.
It was laid in TOS. The movies at leaat. Admiral Cartwright. They conspired to assassinate the Fed President to start a war.
I'm trying to think, in TNG... aside from Jameson (who went on a quest for his own vanity), Satie and Pressman (who were acting more to keep the Romulans at bay through nasty or devious means) I can't think of that many truly evil admirals.
The admirals at Star Fleet command were infected by parasites along with Remmick and Tryla Scott.
Necheyev (sp?) was highly unlikable, but not evil.
Nakamura just wanted Picard to show up to keep appearances.
Shanthi approved Picard's Tachyon blockade.
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The admirals at Star Fleet command were infected by parasites along with Remmick and Tryla Scott.
Necheyev (sp?) was highly unlikable, but not evil.
Nakamura just wanted Picard to show up to keep appearances.
Shanthi approved Picard's Tachyon blockade.
Let me know if I am missing someone.
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