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Ten Best/Worst things about season 2

Lots of people wanted a Pike show after his appearance. I know there are several that would prefer that instead of a season 3 of Discovery.

Indeed. And several of those same people either didn't like the Short Treks or didn't say a peep about them. So effectively, all their chest thumping for a Pike Series was nothing but hot air. Which is what I thought. Not from everyone, of course, but "several".

The biggest complaints I've seen about Discovery, the main ones, were: "Why didn't they make it Post-Nemesis? Why are they listening to Burnham who's not even the Captain?!" Well, now DSC is not just post-NEM but extremely post-NEM. And I think there's a good chance Burnham will become Captain in S3 when the dust settles.
 
The biggest complaints I've seen about Discovery, the main ones, were: "Why didn't they make it Post-Nemesis? Why are they listening to Burnham who's not even the Captain?!" Well, now DSC is not just post-NEM but extremely post-NEM. And I think there's a good chance Burnham will become Captain in S3 when the dust settles.

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Best
Captain Pike
VFX

Worst
the universe revolving round Michael. She is mary sue.
really poor plot. the whole read angel arc was generic, predictable , lacking of depth and derivate. the writing in season 2 is even worse than some of the CW shows. I find that very embarrassing for a star trek show
Sarek was wasted
Season 3 plays out like a superhero format. why must very last 20 minutes of an episode turn into action scenes and fights

Mixed
Young Spock. I thought Peck did a good job in the first 2-3 episode he was in as Spock but the other episode he just became okay.
 
Best
Captain Pike
VFX

Worst
the universe revolving round Michael. She is mary sue.
really poor plot. the whole read angel arc was generic, predictable , lacking of depth and derivate. the writing in season 2 is even worse than some of the CW shows. I find that very embarrassing for a star trek show
Sarek was wasted
Season 3 plays out like a superhero format. why must very last 20 minutes of an episode turn into action scenes and fights

Mixed
Young Spock. I thought Peck did a good job in the first 2-3 episode he was in as Spock but the other episode he just became okay.

:ack:
 
Indeed. And several of those same people either didn't like the Short Treks or didn't say a peep about them. So effectively, all their chest thumping for a Pike Series was nothing but hot air. Which is what I thought. Not from everyone, of course, but "several".

The biggest complaints I've seen about Discovery, the main ones, were: "Why didn't they make it Post-Nemesis? Why are they listening to Burnham who's not even the Captain?!" Well, now DSC is not just post-NEM but extremely post-NEM. And I think there's a good chance Burnham will become Captain in S3 when the dust settles.

When the season ended with the Enterprise warping away, for a moment, I started to think the show was going to be entirely retooled for the next season and focus on Pike. Initially, I would've been sad to see the crew of Discovery go, but, I would've gotten over it quickly because I desperately want a Captain Pike series.
 
Best
Captain Pike
VFX

Worst
the universe revolving round Michael. She is mary sue.
really poor plot. the whole read angel arc was generic, predictable , lacking of depth and derivate. the writing in season 2 is even worse than some of the CW shows. I find that very embarrassing for a star trek show
Sarek was wasted
Season 3 plays out like a superhero format. why must very last 20 minutes of an episode turn into action scenes and fights

Mixed
Young Spock. I thought Peck did a good job in the first 2-3 episode he was in as Spock but the other episode he just became okay.
You fundamentally misunderstand what a Mary sue is. A Mary sue is the writer inserting themselves into the story.
 
You fundamentally misunderstand what a Mary sue is. A Mary sue is the writer inserting themselves into the story.
I never understand why that term is so frequently-used now as a way to demean a lead female character. Plus they aren’t even using it correctly to begin with.
 
I'm almost done re-watching S2, and I think it's been a fun experience overall.

A few observations:
1. I agree with people who have said that this season plays better in more of a binge-watch format. I'll conclude the season re-watch today, which means I swallowed it down in 2 weeks. It seems to work better with less time between the episodes. I think it might be because this season has a lot of (ahem) drama in it, and the emotional connections/beats work better if the story isn't interrupted for 7 days in between each episode.

2. SMG is a good actress. They asked her to do a LOT this season (probably too much, honestly), but she handled the direction they chose to take the character with a strong performance, dignity and grace.

3. They talk really fast in many of these scenes. Like, this is a re-watch, and I'm still missing things in dialogue. I find myself trying to look at the gorgeous sets or appreciate the lighting or digesting something that was just said, and in that split second, I realize I missed 3-4 rapid-fire lines of dialogue. I think this is a definite weakness.

4. The main cast (Saru, Tilly, Stamets) didn't disappear as much as I originally thought, but they definitely didn't have the screen time or impact they had through the first 4-5 episodes.

5. It's a gorgeous show. Everything looks great. This is obviously subjective, but I love the production design, cinematography, lighting, visual effects, etc, etc, etc. It's just beautiful. The sound is great too.
 
I never understand why that term is so frequently-used now as a way to demean a lead female character. Plus they aren’t even using it correctly to begin with.
Yeah it's basically become a term for a female character that does things they don't like but would be perfectly OK with if those things were done by a man.

The funny thing is Garth from axanar is a textbook Mary sue and I'd say that even Ed Mercer as much as I like the character, has Mary sue traits as well. But you don't see any criticism from the midnight edgers as far as those characters are concerned.
 
Picard is at least as much a Mary/Marty Sue as Michael. If TNG was Disco, fans would be furious: Why is he the one who decides the fate of the Klingon Empire? How come HE could overcome assimilation long enough to give them a message? Why does everything major in the galaxy revolve around him???
 
He's the flagship's captain. She was a criminal with no rank until she was reinstated. Her position in S2 is more comparable to Riker's - we might also have complained if Riker had been the center of everything.
 
Picard is at least as much a Mary/Marty Sue as Michael. If TNG was Disco, fans would be furious: Why is he the one who decides the fate of the Klingon Empire? How come HE could overcome assimilation long enough to give them a message? Why does everything major in the galaxy revolve around him???

I think part of the difference is that being in an episodic series, we also got to see Picard (or most of the central characters across multiple shows) handle the more mundane. The big save the universe stories felt special because they weren’t the status quo.

One of Discovery’s big flaws is the lack of smaller, more intimate story telling.
 
So I just finished my re-watch of S2.

I've said a lot about the pros/cons already in this thread. Ultimately, I'd conclude one absolute pro and one absolute con that I think summarize my feelings on the season as a whole.

PRO: They did a much better job of letting the characters out for some fun and development than S1. While I liked all the characters in S1, the circumstances of war and landing in a horrific and terrifying parallel universe didn't allow for much levity or chit-chat to be explored. It's just the nature of the situation they were in. S2 allowed for a lot more of this, and I think that was very good because not only is that a big part of the appeal of the franchise (for me), but it also leverages one of the greatest strengths of this show, which is the cast. The cast are all great, and the characters are all pretty well-drawn. This show should be leveraging the shit out of that.

CON: This comes down to one very simple thing: I think they tried WAY too hard. I think the writers and producers all had their hearts in the right place. I really, sincerely do. So it's hard to be "mad" or fault them for what they did. But, in the end, I think they just over-reacted to some of the criticisms of S1, and they really went over-board on everything in S2. For example, the amount of drama, anguish, emotion, and pain they put the Burnham character through is almost insane. People joke about SMG crying in every episode. I can tell you....having "binge" watched it (over 2 weeks as opposed to 14 weeks), she is in emotional agony....A LOT. I also mentioned how many plot points they decided to work with in S2 at some point earlier in this post. It was really too much. It made the season far too dense and it was hard to give any one of these items the time and development it may have deserved. It just felt like every episode was absolutely crammed with plot and dialogue and just "stuff happening" and there was hardly ever a moment to just breath and appreciate (or properly develop) what was happening and why.

I honestly think they'd be better served scaling back in S3. Tell a smaller, more fascinating story. Every show doesn't need to be Game of Thrones, and quality does not equate with complexity. Slow down a little. Let this fantastic cast shine. Don't save the multiverse, galaxy, or Federation. Don't be so self-conscious and just be a good show ("Don't try to be a great show. Just be a show. Let history make it's judgement."). All the pieces you need are there to hit it out of the park. Just relax and tell a great story, and don't worry about how much detail, complexity, action, and fan service you can cram into 13 episodes.

Overall, (unpopular opinion warning), I liked S1 better than S2. I think S1 was different and unique and, even when flawed, carved something of an identity that I found fascinating. S2 was a little less so, and I find that I missed that.

That's my story...looking forward to S3!
 
Overall, (unpopular opinion warning), I liked S1 better than S2. I think S1 was different and unique and, even when flawed, carved something of an identity that I found fascinating. S2 was a little less so, and I find that I missed that.

That's my story...looking forward to S3!

I agree with everything you said, I felt the exact same way. And I so agree about liking season 1 better because it was unique and had a unique different tone while season 2 seemed a little like "oh noes, we went into a direction that was TOO different, the purists are mad at us, gotta run back to the familiar". As much as I absolutely ADORE Pike and would be the first to cheer if they announced a Pike series, I still like Lorca better (won't EVER like the Mirror Universe twist tho) because he was so uniquely different as a captain, unlike ANY other main captain. It was really refreshing.
 
I agree with everything you said, I felt the exact same way. And I so agree about liking season 1 better because it was unique and had a unique different tone while season 2 seemed a little like "oh noes, we went into a direction that was TOO different, the purists are mad at us, gotta run back to the familiar". As much as I absolutely ADORE Pike and would be the first to cheer if they announced a Pike series, I still like Lorca better (won't EVER like the Mirror Universe twist tho) because he was so uniquely different as a captain, unlike ANY other main captain. It was really refreshing.

I feel the same way. I liked Lorca better than Pike, even though I loved Pike. Lorca had mystery and nuance. Even though I was disappointed in the direction they chose to go with it....I also appreciated the attempt at a big, mind-blowing twist. So, I didn't hate it. I think they underestimated Lorca's likability with the fans, quite honestly.
 
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