Can I ask why your brother likes star trek? It is literally the embodiment of everything he dislikes.
Jason Isaacs speaks about Star Trek
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I think everyone knows what I think of the show, but I get no more a sense of overt feminism and female-centric POV from Discovery than I do from Voyager or Deep Space Nine.
I don't know. I can't explain why he thinks the way he does.
He cites the American President as his role model on his behavior, because "he's defeating the left". His behavior has gotten increasingly vicious to the point I've been called "lying liberal", he sneered "who are your friends?" and demanded I read aloud my emails of the years I struggled with permanent ear ringing and difficulties finding a girlfriend "so I can laugh at you." These last few statements were so beyond the pale, and happened just last month at Thanksgiving, that I had to tell my father that I could no longer attend events where he was present (he and my mother also had laughs at my wife's expense last Christmas which they refused to apologize for--she was so scared she refused to let my mother go with us to the airport when she visited her parents in Moscow). Oh and my brother isn't some uneducated person, he's a 30+ year old medical doctor.
He wasn't always like that when he started watching Trek as a kid. He changed. Maybe he thinks Trek changed and didn't realize it was him that changed.
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Sounds like it might be time to cut bait. No one needs that in their lives.
I haven't been posting in the Discovery Forum lately. I've been more focused on Picard. Seems like I'm not missing much. Same Shit, Different Day.
Not much at all.
The Discovery producers who pat themselves on the back for their intention to put women at the center of the series and show a diversity of female voices.. would probably disagree with your assessment.
The internet and the Youtube channels all seem to be enjoying "The Mandalorian." Especially now, as the finale aired. It's possible to put out a product that isn't divisive among audiences and fans.
Why isn't The Mandalorian divisive? Because its a presentation of pure nostalgia, so isn't remotely interesting enough to be divisive. Female characters are properly ensconced in their supporting roles, lots of OT easter eggs to enjoy, a cute muppet is provided for people who remember ewoks fondly to go gaga over, a cool droid to add to toy sales, and overall about as challenging to the IP as a loaf of wonderbread. Sure, The Mandalorian will keep Star Wars fans snug and happily back in the mid-1980s. Is that where we want to put Star Trek? Permanently in the nostalgic rear-view mirror?
I found it kind of boring myself. None of the characters were particularly compelling. The dialogue and delivery of such was stiff and clunky. But it offers Star Wars fans what The Orville does for Star Trek fans, that nostalgic glow. To a certain crowd, apparently, that is the way.
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Equality must be pretty scary, huh?
When shows are male-dominated, everything is right with the world, but give lead roles to females, and then it's utter chaos and all testosterone everywhere is threatened. Rather than letting YouTube critics decide things, just watch the show and enjoy it for what it is. A talented cast all around.
Don't ever watch Sailor Moon.
Major Kira and Captain Janeway would like a word. Heck, so would Number One.
Isa Briones looks pretty caucasian even if she has a multiethnic background. Sonequa Martin-Green, not so much.
I don't know, there seemed to be more than a few fans who complained about the lead character in the new Trek series being a woman of color in addition to the usual Mary Sue accusations. Race played into some of the attacks on the series before it even got underway in earnest so this idea that there haven't been racists involved in the anti-DSC mindset since the cast was announced and the first footage was teased is a bit, well, not-to-be-taken-seriously.
Outside of self supporting zealots in online echo chambers I truly doubt this is much of an issue.
I'm a middle aged straight white male and I can't say it exactly leaped out and hit me.
Do you believe in conspiracy theories too ?
White male, nearing 50 here, and I didn't see an agenda on the onscreen product. I saw folks (male and female) babbling Star Trek babble.
Straight white guy in his 30s. Apparently too dense to see it.
You're assuming she's Borg.
Yes, a key difference between what happened with Archer and what happened with Burnham.
When it was announced that Scott Bakula had been signed to play Archer, there was almost universal celebration by online fans. This was BEFORE Enterprise premiered. The reaction by many in that same vocal minority here and other places online, was the opposite when it was announced that Sonequa Martin-Greene had been signed to play the lead in DSC, and that there would be two gay characters. All of this was BEFORE DSC premiered. No one knew how the show would look or be written at this point.
The outcry increased when reporters began asking cast members about diversity. This gave racists, homophobes, and mysogynists, license to, as usual, claim they weren't against diversity, just an "agenda."
The complaints about Ent and Archer didn't start until after the show premiered. The vast majority of those complaints didn't involve Bakula personally, just the way the character was written.
DSC continued to be attacked after it's premiere by a vocal minority for having a "feminist agenda' (someone please explain this one to me), a "homosexual agenda", an "SJW" agenda, etc.
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