The Orville. Anyone loving it?

[Qonundrum]

Do you think there will be some kind of alliance with the Krill or will they reneg?

I wish they'd do an episode dealing with First Contact as set in the Orville universe. That could be interesting.

I suspect they will reneg. After rewatching "Krill" (overuse of the Avis joke aside, and it's amazing Gordon and Ed didn't get caught out by the Krill a lot earlier), I suspect the alliance will shatter at some point. But the earlier Krill-themed episodes are a lot stronger with narrative than the alliance that was forcibly forged in "Identity pt 2", a truly rushed episode with its level of conveniences. But they needed to finish the Moclan arc as well as having the smartphone escapade... (the season simply needed 22 or 24 episodes fore everything it was juggling.)

aNd like NEM and the Romulans being cozy with the Federation due to Shinzon's antics, it all felt more forced and not natural when season 2 was starting to rush plot details in its varying arcs.

If they do time travel for a thrill episode, and I hope they don't because the crew all feel like everyday people from 2015 to begin with and the "fish out of water" trope wouldn't be anywhere near as strong as FC or TVH, I hope they innovate on it. For most episodes that borrowed from Trek, they still put in a spin and didn't do a direct copy. The closest examples to direct, uninspired copies would be (for me) the asteroid with a society inside and the stupid one with the smartphone.

Possibly but this Avis is a stupid god, with a stupid name.

Better hide all those historical documents where Avis is a car rental company.

You know, that really Hertz.



But you know I never miss a chance to make an Enterprise-ing pun... or rent one...


That aside, the episode does touch on a sensitive issue and the outlandishly silly jokes do seem to be there to counter some gruesome plot points (decapitated head being stabbed, a super weapon to be used, Mercer trying to save the kids - which backfires when Talaya states they'll grow up to be enemies. That's fairly heavy material for a knock-off comedy parody of Star Trek, of the sort that even the Dominion didn't get into...)

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Thanks @Qonundrum

I could make fun of the Krill all day. Also their stupid name it's microscopic fish on Earth hehe.

What I meant by a First Contact episode isn't actually doing what they did in Star Trek but maybe one of the crew looking back and what happened on the day, say telling it to someone else or such.

 

[fireproof78]

Please explain that?

Safe, predictable and nostalgia.

 

[JD]

yeah.. but peopel are basically wathcing the exact same story whenever a new cop movie comes out, or a new superhero movie comes out, or whenever a new "kids in a small town meet strange things" story comes out.
If everyone is so eager for Orville to JUST be it's own thing and not use this (still valid) formula, why is that the Lion King and Aladdin remakes or the latest SW films made a killing at the box office? Please explain that?
There are 100s of thousands of options to watch on tV now, and the option I want is new old Trek!!!

And while the show is building an underlying narrative.. I am so glad that it is largely episodic.

And I have had the same problem with some of those things to. But with The Orville, it really isn't that much of a problem for me, it's just my one rather minor issue.

 

[Alan Roi]

yeah.. but people are basically watching the exact same story whenever a new cop movie comes out, or a new superhero movie comes out, or whenever a new "kids in a small town meet strange things" story comes out.

There's a fundamental difference between a genre and a show. What you describe above are genres. Orville's exists as a callback to one particular show and one only, inside a rather expansive genre.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

There's a fundamental difference between a genre and a show. What you describe above are genres. Orville's exists as a callback to one particular show and one only, inside a rather expansive genre.

I would argue that.. almost all superhero origins are the same .. the specifics might change..but not really (in terms of structure)

 

[Alan Roi]

I would argue that.. almost all superhero origins are the same .. the specifics might change..but not really (in terms of structure)

Well, almost all MCU superhero origins are the same (irresponsible manboy learns to become responsible via powers and facing his mirror enemy) but that doesn't speak for the rest of the genre.

 

[JD]

Yeah, the origin stories in the comics are much more diverse than the MCU.

 

[Alan Roi]

Yeah, the origin stories in the comics are much more diverse than the MCU.

Even movies can offer some starkly different kinds of Superhero origins. For instance, I consider Jennifer's Body a superhero origin movie.

 

[JD]

Sure, I was just talking about the MCU versus the comics. Even though I'm a huge fan of the MCU, I will admit, the basics of their origins are a little repetitive, but they usually have enough differences that I haven't been to bothered by it.

 

[tomalak301]

I love the show but I think I loved it more in Season 1 than 2. I feel like there are ideas and themes that can get repetitive (Ed and Kelly's relationship and the Moclins) but when they had the 2 parter with Issac's race (Forgot what they were called just now), that was a great two parter. Season 1 felt like getting to know the Orville and her crew. Season 2 felt like universe building and it's a nicely defined universe.

 

[JD]

That reminds of one other thing that bugged me, they got way to focused on the Moclans. It just felt to me like they could have spread the focus to give some other races development, instead of going back to them over and over.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

I love the show but I think I loved it more in Season 1 than 2. I feel like there are ideas and themes are can get repetitive (Ed and Kelly's relationship and the Moclins) but when they had the 2 parter with Issac's race (Forgot what they were called just now), that was a great two parter. Season 1 felt like getting to know the Orville and her crew. Season 2 felt like universe building and it's a nicely defined universe.

Isaac's people are the Kaylons.

Identity Parts 1 and 2 was solid but part 2 felt a bit rushed and had too easy a payoff imho.

 

[tomalak301]

Isaac's people are the Kaylons.

Identity Parts 1 and 2 was solid but part 2 felt a bit rushed and had too easy a payoff imho.

I do agree the payoff seemed really easy, allowing Issac to come back as if nothing happened. Still, I thought everything else was great, especially bringing the Krill into the fight, again with the universe building.

 

[tomswift2002]

Vudu did have season 1 of The Orville in HDX. That's a step up from HD streaming, but not as good as 4K UHD.

It's still not quite blu ray quality either, but still it looked really crisp and wonderful.

HDX is 1080p max with bit rates between 9.0Mbps and 20Mbps. That is far, far, far below Blu-Ray where your average bitrate for a 1080p movie is in the 25.0-35.0Mbps range. HDX is closer to what you would get from hooking an antennae up-to your TV and getting 720p OTA broadcasts or an upscaled DVD. Also for streaming HDX you need at least 4.5Mbps bandwidth or it drops to SD (according to VUDU’s FAQ page).

 

[Nerys Myk]

I wouldn't say love, as I don't have the affection for TNG that some do. But at times it's been pretty good.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I love the show but I think I loved it more in Season 1 than 2. I feel like there are ideas and themes are can get repetitive (Ed and Kelly's relationship and the Moclins) but when they had the 2 parter with Issac's race (Forgot what they were called just now), that was a great two parter. Season 1 felt like getting to know the Orville and her crew. Season 2 felt like universe building and it's a nicely defined universe.

To each their own. That's the same reason why I enjoy season 2 of more than season 1. Although, I agree with those that say there was too much focus on the Moclans.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

I do agree the payoff seemed really easy, allowing Issac to come back as if nothing happened. Still, I thought everything else was great, especially bringing the Krill into the fight, again with the universe building.

Yes that was great. Gordon flying a Krill fighter. That was neat.

But the Krill hell it's too much fun to make fun of them.

"Avis - Drives your dollar further" that used to be a slogan of theirs

https://www.avis.com.au/en/home?ARC...47G-wjNa4_6vuJAoruhoCzDoQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

 

[ichab]

Seth MacFarlane is a huge Star Trek nerd and got someone to pay him to do his own version, good for him, he's living the dream but that doesn't make it a great show, it's a fan film with a budget and like most fan films it's a bit too much in love with what came before. It's a new show but it feels dated because it copies so much from TNGs aesthetics and style, I watched the occasional episode and it's ok but it never feels like it's going somewhere TNG didn't go 30 years ago. A lot of that is by design but it doesn't appeal to me, if I want to watch TNG I'll just rewatch TNG.

TNG style shows were already becoming passe for me by the time Voyager came around.A parody twenty years later holds even less interest to me.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

I wonder if Talla Keyali will change her hair or is that done that way to hide that she's only got makeup on her left ear?