TAS made real....
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I don't think they're likely to be the same size. Looking at the pod directly above the Enterprise, the tube that comes out from its far side connects to a pod that's slightly larger in the frame but must be behind it from our point of view, because of the tube's placement. Similarly with the uppermost pod near the far right -- it looks larger than the ones near it, but its connecting tubes go behind the tubes crossing them, so it must be farther from us. So the pods must be different sizes.
Yes, of course, which is why I kept it simple by focusing on which things are indisputably in front of or behind other things from our perspective. That's something we can be fairly certain of, so it's a good starting point.
The Enterprise is shown at eye level to us so one can use that as the approximate centre of the image in terms of perspective. Actually one could use an imaginary point just ahead of the Enterprise as the image’s vanishing point. Of course, two separate objects can have two distinct perspective vanishing points. it’s a matter of interpretation.
Also this view of the alien ship doesn’t really tell us much other than approximate length and height relative to the Enterprise, if we assume the Enterprise is directly under the alien ship. We have no real sense of the alien ship’s width or depth.
Also this view of the alien ship doesn’t really tell us much other than approximate length and height relative to the Enterprise, if we assume the Enterprise is directly under the alien ship. We have no real sense of the alien ship’s width or depth.
Yes, those uncertainties exist. All the more reason to find something you can be certain of and use it as a starting point. We can at least be certain that some of the tubes cross in front of other tubes. That is a useful data point amid all the other uncertainties. That's all I'm saying.
I might not get started on this until Dec. 24th. I’m off Christmas Eve all day so I might have some free time to get started plotting this out. And I might have some time on Christmas Day. After Boxing Day (in Canada) I’ll have four or five days off before New Year’s to get some work in on this.
For sure. The Bonaventure is my favorite. No clue how it's supposed to fit into the current Trek canon (I am positive the "first ship with warp drive" part can be considered retconned out of existence, but beyond that, who knows?), but it's still one of the coolest ships made for the franchise.
I'm kinda of two minds on this. On one hand, there's nothing to disprove that the Traitor's Claw was actually pink (and I'd probably just go with it myself). On the other hand, TAS has quite a few animation errors (not to mention retcons from later series), specifically that the pink/purple stuff was often meant to be gray, which could be argued that the intent should be honored (although that would also mean that we'd have to accept that the gold TOS uniforms were actually green and that Starfleet ships didn't have unique mission patches during TOS, which would make no sense). Guess it's a matter of opinion. I mean, I'd be rather inclined to dismiss the purple Klingon uniforms as a mistake and actually being gray, but that Star Trek vs Transformers comic kept that, despite correcting other such mistakes (and being written to fit with the post-TAS canon), so clearly other people feel differently.
I have long had an issue with the Bonaventure being the first ship with warp drive. It’s such an obvious riff on the Enterprise design and yet it’s supposed to be 150 years older.
i can see the first warp drive ship being called Bonaventure, but I can’t see it looking like what we see in TAS. The only out is if this ship is the first with contemporary type warp drive, but then it wouldn’t be 150 years old.
It’s one of those inconsistencies I tend to gloss over.
i can see the first warp drive ship being called Bonaventure, but I can’t see it looking like what we see in TAS. The only out is if this ship is the first with contemporary type warp drive, but then it wouldn’t be 150 years old.
It’s one of those inconsistencies I tend to gloss over.
That's been disputed.
I find it rather clunky-looking myself.
Apparently that's a myth. According to TAS storyboard artist/character designer Bob Kline as interviewed in Star Trek: The Official Guide to the Animated Series, color director Irvin Kaplan simply liked the color pink. From p. 26:
I think that's just a matter of older comics/cartoon art often using blues and purples to represent gray and black shades that are hard to capture accurately with a limited palette. (A lot of blue or purple things in comics were originally meant to be black -- Batman's cowl, the dark parts of Spider-Man's uniform, Beast's and Nightcrawler's fur, etc.)
Fair enough, although that does seem kind of fitting for a ship that was intended to be a prototype by the writers and designers. I mean, at the time "The Time Trap" was written, we didn't know much about what happened between our time and TOS. The bulkier engines, smaller saucer, and all that just work for me. Maybe it's the mystery of how the ship should fit into continuity now that the original backstory was invalidated (although, "The Counter Clock Incident" did suggest that the TOS Enterprise was the first warp ship, so clearly the people producing the show weren't keeping track) or something, but that one ship has always stood out to me somehow.
Gotta read that book sometime. Fair enough. Think some of those colors worked and some didn't.
Sure, I have seen that (although original Spidey costume looks just blue, not black, to me and I do have books with the original runs). The Klingon's purple uniforms don't look anything like that style of pseudo-black. It really looks to me like an artistic choice to change the color from gray to purple, for better or worse (granted, I'm not aware of anything that would make it impossible for Klingons to have used purple uniforms).
I said that blues and purples were sometimes used to represent gray as well. That's what I meant in this case.
Although come to think of it, the Klingons' outer garments in TOS (tunics? tank tops?) were more of a gold lame. I guess I was assuming they were gray/silver because the later Klingon uniforms tend to be. Hmm... Looking at it now, I see the TAS Klingon uniforms also had a lower cut to the neckline of the outer garment and added a pair of gold pins on the chest. So they're more distinct from the TOS design than I thought.
In this image, Kruge's uniform seems kind of a purplish-gray, though maybe that's just the lighting, since the same kind of garment seems just gray in other photos. But maybe the TAS uniforms are a transitional stage.
My point was that it really looks to me like the artist wanted the Klingons to be literally wearing purple, not purple to look like gray. I could be wrong, but there it is.
Maybe.
Looking into it further, I see that the TAS version of the Klingon uniform is just a simplified, recolored version of the standard Klingon uniform from most of TOS, albeit with the shoulder pins more angular and featureless. Different Klingons had the pins in different positions, but the TAS version seems closest to Koloth's uniform, with the relatively low neckline and the pins lower and more inward. This makes sense, because Koloth was the first Klingon to appear in TAS, so they probably designed him based on William Campbell in "Tribbles" and used that as the template for their other Klingon characters.
Kor was the only Klingon in the first two seasons of TOS who didn't have the shoulder pins, instead wearing a sash -- probably meant at the time to represent that he was a planetary governor (although Kang and season-1 Worf wore the same sash, so that intention probably didn't stick.) Also, Kang and his crew had a different pin design than previous Klingons, a pair of clips on the corners of the outer garment's square collar. Whereas fake-Kahless in "The Savage Curtain" had no pins or adornments, just the bare uniform.
Kor had lost the sash by "The Time Trap," which fits with him being a ship captain that time around. It also had the advantage of making his design symmetrical so they could reverse the cels as needed.
Kor was the only Klingon in the first two seasons of TOS who didn't have the shoulder pins, instead wearing a sash -- probably meant at the time to represent that he was a planetary governor (although Kang and season-1 Worf wore the same sash, so that intention probably didn't stick.) Also, Kang and his crew had a different pin design than previous Klingons, a pair of clips on the corners of the outer garment's square collar. Whereas fake-Kahless in "The Savage Curtain" had no pins or adornments, just the bare uniform.
Kor had lost the sash by "The Time Trap," which fits with him being a ship captain that time around. It also had the advantage of making his design symmetrical so they could reverse the cels as needed.
And then we have the Mego Klingon action figure uniform, which resembles the TAS vest thing with the horizontal lines but is done in a brownish maroon material instead of purple: http://megomuseum.com/startrek/klingon.html
Kor
Kor
It looks like Kirk is b-slapping the Klingon, so, it's probably Bob the Discount Klingon and not Captain Koloth.
Honestly, Koloth is the least intimidating Klingon in all of TOS (aside from Arne Darvin, who broke after mere seconds of interrogation). He comes off more as an ineffectual bureaucrat than a warrior. It always seemed weird to me that "Blood Oath" portrayed him as this solemn, gifted swordmaster and Kor as a merry Falstaffian drunkard, when the reverse would've been more in keeping with their TOS portrayals.
But the article is right -- the Mego Klingon really does look like Koloth. One more thing I somehow never noticed before, even though I had that figure as a kid.
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