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Spoilers Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Grading & Discussion

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No he wasn't. Nothing in the current canon says that. That comic you keep citing doesn't show or say that.

I've proved this so many bloody times.

Even though it's Legends now, I've always liked the implication of the Darth Plagueis novel. That something Sidious (and/or his master) did was so black and repellent that the Force responded by creating Anakin to counter them. I've read the Darth Vader comic, and nothing in that really goes against that interpretation either. It gels nicely with the whole Chosen One concept. It gives the Skywalkers such a wonderfully mythic backstory.
 
Star Wars just hasn’t resounded with Chinese audiences.

It never really has. The original trilogy was never shown there until very recently, and they have their own mythology-inspired fantasy films, some of which are quite good.

An ex-girlfriend of mine was mainland Chinese, had never seen any of the films and knew very little about them. One weekend we'd decided to watch the original trilogy. I'll never forget the look on her face when we got to the end of ESB and the twist was revealed.
 
Does anyone else dislike the idea of the Force having any kind of agency?

I mean, we've heard "the will of the Force" for how many years now? But it doesn't really need agency. Your don't think about all the things your body does to self-regulate in so many different ways but it still keeps right on going, more or less. Much of what the Force "does" could just be a natural process of self-regulation and not imply any kind of guiding intelligence or agency.
 
I mean, we've heard "the will of the Force" for how many years now? But it doesn't really need agency. Your don't think about all the things your body does to self-regulate in so many different ways but it still keeps right on going, more or less. Much of what the Force "does" could just be a natural process of self-regulation and not imply any kind of guiding intelligence or agency.

Yes, but there's arguably a difference between 'energy force created by all living things' and something that can commit an act of self-regulation. The idea that the Force responds to things that happen makes the difference, at least in my opinion. I've always been fine with the Force being portrayed slightly differently in different movies, so it's not a big deal.
 
Saw it today with low expectations, but was pleasantly surprised. I gave it an A, and the only reason it doesn't get an A+ is because

many of the final scenes reminded me of the throne room scene in ROTJ.
 
I'm an atheist. I believe in what my eyes show me not what other people tell me.
If your eyes aren't showing you this woman is already very pregnant when Palpatine comes into the picture (in this dream sequence that has multiple figurative elements), you might want to reconsider that.
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Does anyone else dislike the idea of the Force having any kind of agency?
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Interpret it as you will. I always took it as having some agency, even if different from more sapient beings in Star Wars.
 
If your eyes aren't showing you this woman is already very pregnant when Palpatine comes into the picture (in this dream sequence that has multiple figurative elements), you might want to reconsider that.View attachment 12767
The image does not show that Palpatine was not there before. I don't have a strong opinion on Palpatine's role in Anakin's creation, but I'd argue that if you can't use an image depicting a "dream sequence that has multiple figurative elements" to prove a positive, then you also can't use it to prove a negative.

Uh that was a member of Story Group, the people who control the canon.
The story group does not "control" canon. They keep track of it in order to help creators avoid contradiction.
 
Interpret it as you will. I always took it as having some agency, even if different from more sapient beings in Star Wars.

I've never felt the idea that it partially controls your actions means it has any kind of agency or will. This isn't the strongest analogy, but if I were to swim through water the water would partially control my actions based on its own laws, but that wouldn't mean it has its own sense of agency. Or maybe it might be better to say that when I drink coffee the caffeine might impact how I act, but that wouldn't mean the caffeine has agency. Another far from perfect comparison, but hopefully it at least slightly gets across what I mean.
 
No.

You're going by what YOU THINK is "presented on the page" and ignoring statements proving that your thoughts are incorrect.

Generally speaking if you are requiring someone to tell you what is on the page you aren't engaging with it.

Stories aren't told via tweets or official statements, they aren't told by backstage sources. They are told by story tellers using the medium of their choosing and are interpreted subjectively by an audience. There are no "facts" here, because none of it is real. There is a creative work and there is the public who view it.
 
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