Lets see, he was emperor of the galaxy with absolute power over trillions. Doesn't seem too far a stretch to me that he kept some of his assets in reserve for the long game.
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Lets see, he was emperor of the galaxy with absolute power over trillions. Doesn't seem too far a stretch to me that he kept some of his assets in reserve for the long game.
Absolutely. It’s fairly obvious he has the means to obtain whatever he needs. It’s not a detail needed for a film nor does it really need to be covered in tie-in materials.
I'm sure we'll get a nine-part novel series about the adventures of the reserve fleet.
Im sure it will be because Disney gotta have dem Star Wars bucks!
The explanation for the fleet that shows up in this movie happens in the Aftermath Trilogy and is tied directly to the formation of the First Order.
Not everyone knows nor cares about tie-in material. The truth of the matter is, while this may not a necessary detail, it’s a good thing that most people can either guess or intuit where his resources come from.
I think it was @Greg Cox, who said that tie-in material draws about two percent of the audience of any given property. Though I guess it could be a bit more when the property is as big as Star Wars.
All I was doing was pointing out that the explanation for this fleet already exists.
It is an explanation that 98% of the audience won't know about. Hard for a movie to hang its hat on that.
I expect bombastic space opera to have over the top battle fleets. Timing the appearance for story impact is much more important than how did they do that explanations.
That's how I feel about it. The guy was crafty enough to plan the extermination of the Jedi and the overthrow of the Galactic Republic decades before it actually happened. It's not too far fetched to believe that he had a plan B in place in case the Rebels won.
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Not everyone has the encyclopedic knowledge you do. I get you mean well but perhaps be a little kinder and there won’t be so much backlash your direction.
It doesn't need to, and that's not what my comment was intended to convey or imply.
Just got back from seeing it. As I said, I went in open minded and ready to lean in and enjoy the ride. And ...
... I'm afraid to say that - IMHO - it deserves it's rotten score.
I'm not sure I have the will to write much more about it right now. A lot to process. And frankly, I feel a bit irritable. The last time I left a movie feeling like this IIRC was Star Trek Into Darkness. Now... what do they have in common I wonder?
One serious disappointment for me though - which I'm sure won't be shared by everyone - was the climatic, ahem... space battle. Now I love me an impressive space battle and had high hopes for an all out showdown. Oh dear - it was a non-starter. Yep, they actually shafted us on the space battle front. Check out the trailers - that's about it. Capital ships going toe-to-toe -- they never get the chance. The shot of the Rebel fleet was jaw dropping, though. Revenge of the Sith's opening battle over Coruscant was far superior.
Might post something more substantial later. I have issues with the movie that extend beyond ships firing at each other. At this stage, I feel 3 out of 5 would be a bit too generous. Maybe 2 and a half out of 5.
I'm not sure I have the will to write much more about it right now. A lot to process. And frankly, I feel a bit irritable. The last time I left a movie feeling like this IIRC was Star Trek Into Darkness. Now... what do they have in common I wonder?
One serious disappointment for me though - which I'm sure won't be shared by everyone - was the climatic, ahem... space battle. Now I love me an impressive space battle and had high hopes for an all out showdown. Oh dear - it was a non-starter. Yep, they actually shafted us on the space battle front. Check out the trailers - that's about it. Capital ships going toe-to-toe -- they never get the chance. The shot of the Rebel fleet was jaw dropping, though. Revenge of the Sith's opening battle over Coruscant was far superior.
Might post something more substantial later. I have issues with the movie that extend beyond ships firing at each other. At this stage, I feel 3 out of 5 would be a bit too generous. Maybe 2 and a half out of 5.
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Just came out of it and found it pretty good. The first half is very rushed and to tonally all over the place with the one liners and jabs etc. Plus the first 5 ministers would be a very WTF moment for anyone who hasn’t seen the trailers. His inclusion did feel really out of the blue. They should have hinted that in the previous films. Maybe in their remasters. 
Nice to see Wedge again (He’s going to be upset about Snap) and hearing the voices of previous Jedi. I didn’t get them all but JJ did say that one was Ashoka which is a nice inclusion. Still no Coruscant though. How do you do a montage a forget THE planet?
Kylo’s death wasn’t as painful as I wanted it to be. I wouldn’t have redeemed him either. That’s been done. And poor Hux. Could have at least waited until Kylo was dead before offing him.
Now bring on the Vong. Let’s give them a proper challenge for 10, 11 and 12.
Nice to see Wedge again (He’s going to be upset about Snap) and hearing the voices of previous Jedi. I didn’t get them all but JJ did say that one was Ashoka which is a nice inclusion. Still no Coruscant though. How do you do a montage a forget THE planet?
Kylo’s death wasn’t as painful as I wanted it to be. I wouldn’t have redeemed him either. That’s been done. And poor Hux. Could have at least waited until Kylo was dead before offing him.
Now bring on the Vong. Let’s give them a proper challenge for 10, 11 and 12.
Ha! I’m afraid not. It did answer a few things which most guessed anyway.
For a series about war, many of the battles I have seen in the Star Trek films and tv shows have been lackluster. I remember watching a battle in the series Star Wars: Rebels, watching as capital ships were being taken down without firing a shot in defense or doing evasive maneuvers.
It seems to me that many of JJ Abrams' films have this one common problem - how did this or that happen? This issue with the Palpatine fleet is the latest in a long line of headscratchers.
One small comfort for Star Wars - its chief competitor this week, the musical Cats, is bombing even harder in the ratings, with a 17% score at Rotten Tomatoes.
It seems to me that many of JJ Abrams' films have this one common problem - how did this or that happen? This issue with the Palpatine fleet is the latest in a long line of headscratchers.
One small comfort for Star Wars - its chief competitor this week, the musical Cats, is bombing even harder in the ratings, with a 17% score at Rotten Tomatoes.
This isn't actually an issue.
