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Spoilers Batwoman - Season 1

On the "possible time jump" front; for the Central City coda they saw fit to put an exact time and date stamp. I mean if they were going to fudge the timeline and not address how much time has passed since 'Elseworlds', why not just put "Meanwhile In Central City..."?

Also, given how the episode left off I can see them leaving things here and checking back in after 6-8 months when certain things have had time to stew.

ETA: For what it's worth, the same coda in the latest 'Supergirl' episode did not include a date...

Mr. Adventure said:
Did they make Kate Jewish just so she could have a Bat Mitzvah? :vulcan:
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IIRC it's a thing from the comics, on Kate & Beth's mother's side.
 
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The way they've chosen to structure the crossover in relation to Batwoman is, conceptually, akin to what Wildstorm did early on with their "Images of Tomorrow" initiative where the 25th issue of all of their book lines was published out of order as a flashforward story that the other issues that followed it in publication order had to build towards, so when we see Kate in Part 1, she will have experienced things that we as an audience won't have yet seen her experience, including the resolution of her conflict with Alice.
 
This show's a pretty strong character drama, coming to an effective climax here, though I wish it had more villain-of-the-week crimefighting stuff. One of my problems with serialized TV is that it tends to make the protagonists self-absorbed, caught up dealing with their own personal soap operas, rather than helping other people as heroes should do. But hopefully Kate reaching the point where she'd finally done trying to save Alice means she'll broaden her Batwomaning focus to helping Gotham in general.

How come nobody at Crows was getting the real Jacob's calls from the field? Maybe Fake Jake (Facob?) was intercepting them.


As for the Crisis time jump issue, I think the resolution here leaves room for a significant time jump over the break. Jacob could languish in prison for a while if the frame is solid enough. Alice has gotten her revenge, so she could lay low for a while. The rift between Kate and Mary could last for some time, and Sophie and what's-his-name seem to be having a marital time-out while she "figures herself out." So there's nothing that necessarily has to be picked up right away, timewise.
 
Given that it was a deliberate narrative choice by the writers to start Batwoman Season 1 before the events of last season's Eleseworlds crossover, and given the decision to timestamp the Nash Wells coda specifically for its usage on this series, I no longer think a huge time jump is going to happen.
 
Batwoman
Season 1 - Episode 8 - "A Mad Tea-Party"

Kate/BW: BW brought to the brink of murdering Alice. Finally, she had enough of the lunatic...for the moment.

Kate having to put up with Mary's childish whining took superheroic restraint. The following exchange--

Mary: "It's important to me so why can't it be important to you?"
Kate: "Because you think if Gotham sees us as a family that we'll start to believe, and that's just not how it works, not after what Catherine did."
Mary: "You gave Alice a second chance...and a third...and a fourth. How can you just write off my mom as Satan? You don't seem to have any problem holding out hope for the actual most evil person in Gotham."
Kate: "She's my family."
Mary:"...and I'm not. Got it. I guess I'm the crazy one, you know? For thinking that you and I could still be sisters?"
Kate: "Of course you're my family--its just..."
Mary: "Different? Do yourself a favor--stop digging."
Kate: "Listen. Even if I wanted to go, I could never do that to my dad."

Mary is an immature fool and selfish. Somehow, she cannot understand the magnitude of what happened to Jacob and Kate's lives from the moment Beth "died" to learning Catherine committed a most heinous, string-pulling crime by faking a child's death, all to serve her needs, not help anyone "move on" from the death of a child, as if its that easy.

Kate using detective skills (brief as the scene was) to find out Mouse was posing as her father. Yes! The series needs more of that, and the always welcome back-and-forth with Luke.

Alice / Mouse: Fake Jacob's mask and performance is too accurate, and honestly, anyone wearing any sort of mask of the kind he uses would be spotted in an instant. Yes, the plot convenience demands it, but...

Yeah, it goes without saying that Alice belongs in a straight jacket for the rest of her life. Listening to Jacob say:

"Maybe believing you were dead was easier than waking up every morning with hope, or going to sleep every night with a broken heart--"

...and still ride her looney train proves there no redemption for her. Jacob was a grieving father conned by Catherine, yet he's to blame. Yep.

Jacob / Catherine: Poor Jacob; he was constantly being mistreated; blamed for not looking for Beth by this murderer and Kate, conned by Catherine for years...and yet he's the "bad guy" and framed for Catherine's murder. No good deed--or rational behavior--goes unpunished.

Catherine's explanation for her criminal acts is no excuse at all. No one with a soul would think it would help a tragedy-beaten father and daughter, or accept any excuse in the event they learned the truth.

Sophie: She's pretty clueless to think Tyler would not have serious issues with what has turned out to be her very duplicitous nature. The feeling that one of the most important days in a person's life was built on lies can just be "overcome" is either Sophie being naïve, or thoughtless. Probably both.

The showrunners should not (but appear to) endorse trampling all over a marriage and Tyler's feelings with some quickie separation and/or departure.

Sophie "figuring herself out" Eh. I can see where that will go.

NOTES: Okay, if Kate will not stand in the way of Jacob going after Alice. Great, but I would love to see father and daughter take that mission on together.

This is the kind of intensity and grounded drama (bracketed by fantasy) that makes this the second best DC TV series by far. In a class by itself.

Batwoman vs Alice's men at the gala: nice fight choreography.

GRADE: A+.
 
^ How does paying her technicians to provide false DNA evidence related to the disappearance of the daughter of a man she was merely friends with at the time benefit Catherine personally?
 
DigificWriter said:
^ How does paying her technicians to provide false DNA evidence related to the disappearance of the daughter of a man she was merely friends with at the time benefit Catherine personally?
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..then why would she go to such a criminal level to fake Beth's death? That's not altruism, sympathy or anything else, other than being self-serving. No one would think of going so far down that criminal hole under the wafer-thin notion of it giving Jacob and Kate "peace" or allow them to "move on".

...and since when was she granted the moral authority to play with the hearts/souls..lives of a father and daughter that way?
 
^ You are dancing around the obvious, which is why I asked why would she go to such a criminal level to fake Beth's death? Again, that's not altruism, sympathy or anything else, other than being self-serving. Your "merely friends" ignores that she clearly had an interest in Jacob, as no "mere friend" (or true friend) would commit such an immoral act, which is the issue. She had something to be gained out of that, and a grieving father would not be emotionally open to her, just as she desired.

Unless you can prove committing that sick, manipulative act was actually purely altruistic, it all goes back to Catherine being a terrible, self-serving person.
 
Catherine found Jacob to be long-term useful. Didn't she?
And defense contract income alone wasn't doing it for her anymore.
 
It messed up a missing-persons case big time. At minimum, if Beth were more inclined towards civil remedies, she'd have a fair chance of getting no small degree of financial satisfaction, no matter what the judge might advise the jury on their options.
 
Oh come on, it's not like Beth just mysteriously disappeared, she crashed down, with a car, in a river.

The odds of her surviving just that were minuscule, the odds of her then being conveniently found by a lunatic infinitesimally small. It's not like Catherine, or anyone else, had any indication Beth was kidnapped. After an extensive, several-month long search, everyone would have assumed Beth was dead. It's Occam's razor innit, if someone falls in a river and is never found again, odds are heavily stacked that they drowned and considering Gotham's a coastal town, the body ending up in the sea never to be found is all too plausible.

She didn't fake the results to fool "an investigation", nobody was even looking anymore except the Kanes. This idea that there were some sinister motives other than just trying to bring closure to people she cared about is bullshit, as is this misogynistic construct of a "conniving manipulative woman using a tragedy to worm her way into a grieving man's pants." None of that was on screen, it's all in some heads.
 
Evidence tampering, perverting the course of justice, commissioning the falsification of a pathology report...nah, that all sounds perfectly legal to me! ;)
 
Reverend said:
Evidence tampering, perverting the course of justice, commissioning the falsification of a pathology report...nah, that all sounds perfectly legal to me! ;)
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Oh nooo... it must be the viewers who are on the wrong side of the issue of someone faking evidence to fool a grieving father and daughter. There is nothing decent or caring about doing that. Its self serving. In the real world, one can only imagine the level of pure rage a survivor would feel at someone screwing with their personal life/pain in that way.
 
This kinda reminded me of this movie I once say with that guy from those old dancing movies and that other guy from the "Not the Bees!" meme. The plot wasn't very believable then, either.

But there were gratuitous shots of slow-motion doves.
 
Noting again that Kate's first real estate project is setting up a bar.
Has she really written off the relationship with Reagan yet?
 
DEWLine said:
Noting again that Kate's first real estate project is setting up a bar.
Has she really written off the relationship with Reagan yet?
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I'm guessing it's the same metatextual reason Thea bought a club in Arrow, not to mention Lana buying a club in Smallville, Piper buying a club in the original Charmed, etc. Networks often want their shows to incorporate popular music for cross-promotions, so having the characters own clubs and the like is a way to achieve that.

Besides, the in-show reason is that she's opening a gay bar across the street from the homophobic restaurant she got kicked out of, in order to get back at them and strike a blow for equality and whatnot.
 
I suspect that the stated-in-dialogue reason is real. And that it's not the only one motivating Kate here.

And you're probably right about the rest of it, too.
 
Watched the last episode this morning, it was a nice ending to this first set of episodes.
Not to sad to see Catherine go, she was my least favorite character so far.
So Alice has finally crossed the line with Kate, I look forward to seeing where they go with them now.
The action scenes have definitely improved a lot since the pilot, Batwoman's fight with the Wonderland gang members on her way to the theater was pretty cool.
 
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