Spoilers Section 31 General Discussion Thread

[Lord Garth]

Then why won't the supporters answer the question about a Klingon leader in 31?

I've seen enough. I'll answer for them. I don't care if Malkor -- or whatever his name is -- is the lead of a Section 31 Show because it's a TV Show. It's not real. It's fiction. It's written by people who change characters all the time. It's all make-believe.

Put all this energy into a cause that's actually legitimately worth making such a big deal about. There are plenty out there in the world today. The real world.

 

[NCC-73515]

Um, welcome to a TV/movie forum? XD

 

[Lord Garth]

Um, welcome to a TV/movie forum? XD

I think you need a little bit more perspective. I'm a huge fan of Star Trek myself, but I think you're taking something that's fiction just a little bit too far. Or at least that's how it's coming across.

There are going to be people who'll want to talk about the Section 31 Series but that doesn't necessarily mean they want to get into a constant endless argument about the main character that goes around in nothing but constant circles.

I can only speak for myself, but I have enough headaches in my own life. I'm also a recovering alcoholic. I don't need this. Neither do a lot of people. I'm looking forward to the show and so are other people. I'm also a fan of Breaking Bad. Doesn't mean I support what the characters in that show do. I'm secure enough in who I am.

I'd like to be able to talk about news about this show without having to have the constant argument in-between. It's not even the argument itself, it's the motions of actually going through the process of always arguing. Constant argument gets exhausting. In general. Eventually, it's going to just become noise. You'll reach a point of diminishing returns and people will start tuning out all the fighting because they'll become too numb to it. It's not healthy. For anyone.

 

[SolarisOne]

Mirror Spock and Yeoh as the two main characters might sell quite a few All-Access subscriptions.

Hell to the YES.

 

[NCC-73515]

I think you need a little bit more perspective. I'm a huge fan of Star Trek myself, but I think you're taking something that's fiction just a little bit too far. Or at least that's how it's coming across.

There are going to be people who'll want to talk about the Section 31 Series but that doesn't necessarily mean they want to get into a constant endless argument about the main character that goes around in nothing but constant circles.

I can only speak for myself, but I have enough headaches in my own life. I'm also a recovering alcoholic. I don't need this. Neither do a lot of people. I'm looking forward to the show and so are other people. I'm also a fan of Breaking Bad. Doesn't mean I support what the characters in that show do. I'm secure enough in who I am.

I'd like to be able to talk about news about this show without have to have the constant argument in-between. It's not even the argument itself, its the motions of actually going through the process of always arguing. Constant argument gets exhausting. In general. Eventually, it's going to just become noise. You'll reach a point of diminishing returns and people will start tuning out all the fighting because they'll become too numb to it. It's not healthy. For anyone.

From my perspective, I was just responding to someone else's points, which I find wrong, so I explained why I disagree with them and what my interpretation is instead. Then came a response with many laughing emojis that I then replied to, since that laughing response either still didn't answer the questions, or still didn't provide sources for its claims. What's your problem with this discussion? You and anyone else who thinks so can remain convinced that Picard is a mass murderer, Archer committed genocide, and Worf is a serial killer, and I can explain why I disagree. This can't be the first heated debate in this forum, is it?

 

[fireproof78]

Eventually, it's going to just become noise. You'll reach a point of diminishing returns and people will start tuning out all the fighting because they'll become too numb to it.

Already there. It's pretty much become to the point that I don't think individuals watch Trek for fun anymore.

 

[Lord Garth]

From my perspective, I was just responding to someone else's points, which I find wrong, so I explained why I disagree with them and what my interpretation is instead. Then came a response with many laughing emojis that I then replied to, since that laughing response either still didn't answer the questions, or still didn't provide sources for its claims. What's your problem with this discussion? You and anyone else who thinks so can remain convinced that Picard is a mass murderer, Archer committed genocide, and Worf is a serial killer, and I can explain why I disagree. This can't be the first heated debate in this forum, is it?

The topic is about news about the series. I can't speak for anyone else but I'm only interested in talking about the upcoming developments.

I'll decide what I think of the series when I actually watch an episode. Until then, I don't want to expend too much energy on defending a series that I might like but I also might not. If I don't end up liking the series, then expending too much on it right now would look foolish in retrospect. The same is true for the reverse.

 

[Cake]

The topic is about news about the series. I'm only interested in the upcoming developments.

Directly under the thread title you have the "A Section 31 series. Yay or nay?" poll though which kind of invites people to give their opinion about the series.

Unfortunately Trek BBS still has no subforums for Section 31 and the two animated series. Personally I think all greenlit shows should have their own. Then we could have all kinds of threads and keep discussions about different things better apart.

 

[SolarisOne]

What should Picard have done when he was captured?

More like, what could Picard have done?

 

[PiotrB]

Then why won't the supporters answer the question about a Klingon leader in 31?

Which 2?

That is not a source. Do you have one?

I see the discussion has reached its full circle. So that's where it ends. We will stick to our positions.

 

[NCC-73515]

since it is obvious you cannot substantiate your claims, we will remain stuck.

 

[NCC-73515]

More like, what could Picard have done?

precisely. let's wait for an answer... XD

 

[Tuskin38]

they never attacked the infected colony (source: end of that ENT arc)

They didn’t wipe out the colony Phlox was on, but dialogue indicates that the Admiral already destroyed one colony before he arrived at Qu’vat, under orders from the High Council.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/N'Vak_Colony

Also, the only reason he didn’t destroy the colony was because they infected him with the virus and used the cure as a bargaining chip.

That is not a source. Do you have one?

I believe he’s referring to the episode ‘Cogenitor’

I see the discussion has reached its full circle. So that's where it ends. We will stick to our positions.

You’re the one refusing to give any sources when asked. You’re just giving vague statements. Not everyone here has an encyclopedic knowledge of the franchise to understand what you’re referencing. Give episode names, or be more specific/detailed in your posts.

When NCC-73515 is asking for sources, he probably means the episode names.

 

[BillJ]

Maybe I’ll be completely wrong and they hit it out of the proverbial park with Section 31. When looking at the lack of depth in Discovery, I have my doubts.

 

[fireproof78]

Or maybe it will be awful and I'll just ignore it.

It's a Star Trek show, not a solemn duty.

 

[BillJ]

It's a Star Trek show, not a solemn duty.

I survived season three of TOS, The Final Frontier, Insurrection, Nemesis and the first two seasons of Discovery. I've watched a lot of bad Star Trek, Section 31 would have to be pretty putrid for me to not watch, especially since I'm paying for the subscription anyway.

 

[fireproof78]

I survived season three of TOS, The Final Frontier, Insurrection, Nemesis and the first two seasons of Discovery. I've watched a lot of bad Star Trek, Section 31 would have to be pretty putrid for me to not watch, especially since I'm paying for the subscription anyway.

You are more long suffering than I. Pretty much have passed on what I consider bad Trek, from finishing out VOY, to ENT, and INS.

Life is too short to spend on watching things I don't enjoy.

 

[BillJ]

Life is too short to spend on watching things I don't enjoy.

Whose to say that I haven't enjoyed bad Trek?

All I know, is that I find it amazing that Trek is an ongoing concern 44 years after I started watching it.

 

[fireproof78]

Whose to say that I haven't enjoyed bad Trek?

No one.

I was giving my opinion.

 

[eschaton]

It was important to me a few years back to watch all of Trek in canon order. More or less to unlock the achievement and be able to say I did it. Plus at that time my son was in cancer treatment, and I had a lot of down time in the hospital without much to do.

I'm glad I watched every episode of Trek - and every Trek movie - because now I know what I never need to have to watch again.