I meant I don't think that you'll be able to tell a difference between Picard and Discovery ships. Only time will tell though.
What Specifically Do You Hope to See in Picard Continuity-Wise?
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I'll be waiting until we actually see Starfleet ships -- inside and out -- before drawing comparisons.
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TNG had a lot of similarities with the first four TOS movies, due to a lot of the same sets being used. In turn, the last two TOS movies had a lot of similarities with TNG, again due to a lot of the same sets being used. There's less reason and expectation for DSC and PIC to look like each other than was the case for the TOS Movies and TNG. And especially considering they'll be shooting nowhere near each other. There's no chance of sharing sets. So that's the inside. Let's look at the outside.
In DSC, it seems pretty clear they were trying to make Disco-looking versions of the NX-01 (the Shenzhou), the Miranda, and the Constellation. In PIC, I don't think they'll be making modified versions of pre-existing designs originally intended for the 22nd and 23rd Century. They'll go bonkers and think of crazy off-the-wall things. And the more the starships look like sea life, the happier they'll be. Even though it's not Picard, the Enterprise-F in Star Trek Online looks kind of like shrimp to me. That's the direction I see them going in. Say goodbye to hard lines.
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TNG had a lot of similarities with the first four TOS movies, due to a lot of the same sets being used. In turn, the last two TOS movies had a lot of similarities with TNG, again due to a lot of the same sets being used. There's less reason and expectation for DSC and PIC to look like each other than was the case for the TOS Movies and TNG. And especially considering they'll be shooting nowhere near each other. There's no chance of sharing sets. So that's the inside. Let's look at the outside.
In DSC, it seems pretty clear they were trying to make Disco-looking versions of the NX-01 (the Shenzhou), the Miranda, and the Constellation. In PIC, I don't think they'll be making modified versions of pre-existing designs originally intended for the 22nd and 23rd Century. They'll go bonkers and think of crazy off-the-wall things. And the more the starships look like sea life, the happier they'll be. Even though it's not Picard, the Enterprise-F in Star Trek Online looks kind of like shrimp to me. That's the direction I see them going in. Say goodbye to hard lines.
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Personally I think he does but I think there were creative restraints on him in the beginning (no round nacelles for instance). I'd just like to see him design a ship that doesn't look like a frying pan.
I think people have a bad habit of confusing "older" with "more simplistic". Step into a house built during the Victorian Period. It looks much more elaborate than anything from the 20th or 21st Century.
TNG was a humancentric zone, hardly any aliens in the series. Might as well call it Star Trek: The next generation of Western Europeans and North Americans in the 24th century living in space. I hope the franchise recognises that the UFP is just that, an alliance of different species, not humans and their human cousins.
Then the question is, will they feel the need to explain the difference, ala: the Klingons (Trials & Tribbleations and the Augment arc)?
Well they never explained DSC Klingon differences, so probably not.
That was what I was disagreeing with.
I'm sorry, but there are differences.
Can we agree to disagree at this point and head this off at the pass?
DSC Era starships would to a large degree fit in better with a post-TNG aesthetic but as long as every starship but one or two doesn't have very long and spiky nacelles and grotesque, almost dagger-like shapes from the side I'll be happy. I'm getting the feeling that they'll resemble TNG/DS9/VOY starship designs and carry forward from those looks to give us our first canon glimpse(that wasn't from an Admiral Janeway timeline that got erased) at Starfleet vessels from the dawn of the 25th century.
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Fair enough. We'll never be on the same page about DSC but at least we're on the same page about PIC. And since this is the PIC Forum, not the DSC Forum, that works for me. Shakes hand.
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Except most of their design is borrowed from the TMP era. They don't fit anymore in the Post-TNG era, then they do in the Pre-TOS era. To me at least, they look like a hybrid TOS-TMP aesthetic.
You got squared off nacelles, but still using round domed TOS-like Bussard collectors, which the 24th century era dropped after the Ambassador class. They have TMP style Phaser hardpoints, with the ballpoint phasers, not phaser strips. Most ships have a round saucer, while the TNG and later ships have started having ovals, with smoother hulls.
Except most of their design is borrowed from the TMP era. They don't fit anymore in the Post-TNG era, then they do in the Pre-TOS era. To me at least, they look like a hybrid TOS-TMP aesthetic.
You got squared off nacelles, but still using round domed TOS-like Bussard collectors, which the 24th century era dropped after the Ambassador class. They have TMP style Phaser hardpoints, with the ballpoint phasers, not phaser strips. Most ships have a round saucer, while the TNG and later ships have started having ovals, with smoother hulls.
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Fair enough. Agreed on the phaser emitters being 23rd century in design. You are right about round Bussard collectors even if the surrounding nacelle casing is often far too spiky and grotesque, so at least DSC retained the concept of spinning, internally-luminated Bussard collectors with a round shape.
As a TNG fan in my youth, I want to see this show as revisiting a universe that I know and that has aged as I have. I want to see that it has tackled the years the same as I have, and is at a different place that is new, but familiar. I sort of wish it would retcon the TNG movies, but I can accept that they happened if it feeds the storyline (e.g. Data's death and Picard's burden). Bring it on!
Personally, I'd like a retcon of Seven's cybernetic eye. I want it to have all the basics a soldier like her would be expected to have (night vision, x-ray, infrared, ultrasound, 500x zoom lens, etc.).
On Voyager, it and her nanoprobes filled the Plot Hole of the Week (an adjustment here, a re-alignment there, and Voila! It could detect this or that particle or this or that frequency.
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On Voyager, it and her nanoprobes filled the Plot Hole of the Week (an adjustment here, a re-alignment there, and Voila! It could detect this or that particle or this or that frequency.
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The EMH and his mobile emitter. I want to see him return to check on Seven the way he did Admiral Janeway in the original timeline before she went back in time to get Voyager back home quicker.
Actually, to me, most of the designs look like they'd fit in just fine post-TUC.
On the subject of bussards, they came back into style as early as 2293 (the opening segment of Star Trek: Generations) because the Enterprise-B had them. So it's no stretch to say that the DSC ships would fit post-TUC if the only criteria was that they had bussards, no matter how they looked.
There is an entire 51-year span of time between the launch of the Enterprise-B in 2293 and the destruction of the Enterprise-C in 2344 of which we know virtually nothing, much less what ship designs looked like between those two vessel classes. I can totally see the Cardenas, Crossfield, Hoover, Magee, Malachowski, Nimitz, and Shepard classes as post-TUC ships. Just take away the almost afterthought-like deflector dishes some of them have. Only the Engle class (minus its nacelles) resembles an ENT-era ship more than a TOS-era ship.
Doesn't look like it to me. I mean Picard's motley crew appears to be all humans except for one Romulan in his late teens.
At least the human cast is a bit more diverse than has been the case in the past.
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