Poll Is Rey a Mary Sue?
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So you've previewed that particular parody porn previously?
Yes. Well, all of TPM requires an apology.
It’s a far better structured and ambitious film than AOTC or ROTS in my opinion. It lacks in the dialogue and yes, Anakin and Jar Jar are not the greatest characters in cinema, but those aspects are far more for the kids than for anyone else.
That does not make it any less a part of Star Wars.
Does a wampa shit in the snow?
No, it’s just how Star Wars and the Force works.
The people who complain just don’t understand either.
Rey is powerful because the Force needs to be balanced.
Right, I am just saying I didn't really see her as MORE powerful than Luke. I figured that was something sexists made up...
She’s not. There’s no such thing as someone being more or less power in the Force. It’s all about the Force and the will of the user.
Rey just does things that Luke never chose to do.
Rey just does things that Luke never chose to do.
The midi-chlorians disagree with you.
Lucas deliberately incorporated the Power in The Force ratings in TPM.
Now on a canonical level, it IS possible for Rey to have more Whos in her Whoville than Yoda, Luke, Emo Ben, Original Ben, or Has Been Carefully Added to This Film Using Archival Footage, and thus be more powerful in the Force.
To be honest, it would explain her nascent abilities, including the ability to break Emo Ben's hold on her mind.
That being said....I HATE the midi-chlorians, and would gladly subscribe to your theory. Hopefully someone will make it Canon.
Quite honestly, I'm not sure a non-Force user wouldn't be able to break that mind hold from Kylo Ren. He may be a Darth Vader fan boy, but I was mostly unimpressed with his use of the Force.
How interesting.... what if Emo Ben really sucks at using the Force, and was able to surprise his Uncle with the help of Snoke? Ha! That changes things...
Snoke, on the other hand, seems to go barely unmentioned in these discussions.
We've heard at length how overpowered Rey is with no explanation bysexists concerned parties who value story telling, yet the fact of Snoke (who can completely debilitate her with a finger) seemingly being able to do things which vastly eclipse anything we've seen prior with no explanation goes by without a whimper. We see him Force choking people from light years distant, controlling minds from similar ranges, forming connections between characters so intense that they physically get wet from the rain in each others' locations. He's casually light years beyond what we have seen even the top tier of Force users manage, be they Yoda, Palpatine, Windu, Anakin, whoever.
But something is different about that. I wonder what it is.
No, not really, he's presumably got a penis. That's all there is to it.
We've heard at length how overpowered Rey is with no explanation by
But something is different about that. I wonder what it is.
No, not really, he's presumably got a penis. That's all there is to it.
Ugh. That's a thought I didn't expect to have in my head today, given how shrivelled up the rest of him is.
But you are spot on, Spot261.
I'm not so sure. The big criticism of Smoke is that he has no backstory. In fact his background is so blank there are no facts to conflict with any skills seen. The Emperor works the same way, all skills are assumed to have been gained legitimately in this mysterious past.
Even with the questions remaining about Rey's past, what they have shown us appears to conflict with the skill set. Why does no one object to Luke leveling up in ROTJ? Because he had three years of off screen development for us to stick explanations in. We've seen Rey every day since she discovered see has powers (and were told about her life since arriving in Jakku). The lack of time jump after TFA was a horrible mistake.
The only hope of salvaging her story is to take her only blank area, her time before Jakku, and revealing some sort of rationalizing factor.
You will note no one is using her time before Jakku to explain her powers right now, because as far as we know, that was before she was aware of the Force and thus irrelevant. Abrams can fix that.
Even with the questions remaining about Rey's past, what they have shown us appears to conflict with the skill set. Why does no one object to Luke leveling up in ROTJ? Because he had three years of off screen development for us to stick explanations in. We've seen Rey every day since she discovered see has powers (and were told about her life since arriving in Jakku). The lack of time jump after TFA was a horrible mistake.
The only hope of salvaging her story is to take her only blank area, her time before Jakku, and revealing some sort of rationalizing factor.
You will note no one is using her time before Jakku to explain her powers right now, because as far as we know, that was before she was aware of the Force and thus irrelevant. Abrams can fix that.
Exactly, assumed, yet we have no way of knowing how either gained their powers or how they went undetected for so long. Yet the fact remains Luke only took a matter of days to develop to the point where his force powers were pivotal to a military victory non one else could have managed, which puts him in a similar ballpark to Rey after the same time.
Snoke, on the other hand, completely surpasses anything we had previously been told was possible, but no one seemingly blinks an eyelid.
In my opinion, Rey's background is exactly why she can open herself up to the Force-she had to live by her instincts.
True, he has power and that is made explicit, but he lacks control.
