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Poll Is Rey a Mary Sue?

Is Rey a Mary Sue

  • Yes, she absolutely is-make arguments below

    Votes: 24 25.3%
  • No, she is not-make arguments below

    Votes: 34 35.8%
  • Mary Sue is a meaningless term

    Votes: 27 28.4%
  • Don't know, don't care

    Votes: 12 12.6%
  • Doesn't impact me one way or the other

    Votes: 11 11.6%

  • Total voters
    95
If you are being misrepresented, by all means, clarify. But, calling Kennedy a "glorified secretary" is insulting at best, and demeaning at worst. Hardly grounds for good-faith discussion.
But that is what she is.. barely qualifying as hyperbole.

Notice when I used the phrase I elaborated on what she actually does and does not do.. to be perfectly clear. I'm not diminishing her role.. just setting the record straight
 
But that is what she is.. barely qualifying as hyperbole.

Notice when I used the phrase I elaborated on what she actually does and does not do.. to be perfectly clear. I'm not diminishing her role.. just setting the record straight
No, it's denigrating the role, and those who do it. So, no, I don't take it seriously, and it is frankly insulting. You're not being misrepresented if you just doubled down on your statement.
 
You obviously read what you want to read and how you want to read it.
I said she was a glorified secretary, but then I elaborated by stating exactly what she did and what she did not do.
 
I did clarify that "secretary" was hyperbole but not too far off.
She did nothing creatively .. everything that's great she has her name on was made great by someone else

That's what I said
 
It isn't justifying decisions, it is the acknowledgement that those decisions were there all along. One doesn't need much in the way of training to use the Force goes all the way back to A New Hope. You didn't mind them because they were tied to a white male character as opposed to a female.
I truly think this is the heart of the matter. Rey does almost everything like either Luke or Anakin. Barely any explanation is given, Luke and Anakin do not appear more fussed than usual after using Force powers. All of this is accepted without blinking an eye.

Enter Rey. She comes from a much harsher background than either Luke or Anakin. She has to live by her instincts, fight to survive, and protect herself. She has no one looking out for her. She is a tried and true survivalist, and we are shown that within the first 5 minutes. Everything demonstrates she has the skills and the know how to be a great Force user because she can already trust her instincts, which Obi-Wan and Yoda had to beat Luke about the head to get him to learn.

Rey is only different because she is female.

It's when their virtue signaling that is blatantly obvious that I have a problem
It's not virtue signaling to have more inclusion and diversity. The original SW was not diverse. It was mostly white. One female. That's not diversity.
I can't figure out any other reason Rey's use of the Force is any different than Luke's. They are both novices that pull some pretty decent feats completely out of their asses with the Force.
Because there is none.

the fact that you can't doesn't mean there isn't. The fact alone that she can shoot three TIES in one shot or lift rocks without breaking a sweat or mastered swordfighting and winning her first time out might be a few things to consider
She has a long history of combat experience.

Also, she looks like she is straining to me lifting the rocks...:shrug:

All of this comes down to perception. Or, as the liar Obi-Wan would put it, "Our own point of view.":shifty:
 
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I wish it was just perception where Rey is concerned. When you have two characters pulling off very similar stunts, and one is loved, the other reviled, it is easy to see the root of the revulsion.

It becomes very easy to see when the same person is constantly complaining about diversity.
It is very transparent. And I truly wish I could understand that POV. But, thus far, its very difficult, aside from just bias.
 
I did clarify that "secretary" was hyperbole but not too far off.

But it was "too far off".

It was miles away from the truth in fact.

That's the problem.

You are consistently presenting positions which rely on tortuous ways to diminish or undermine females (Rey, Kennedy) yet you demonstratably (and there's no doubt here, you absolutely do) find equally tortuous ways to avoid doing the same for males.

That's literally a textbook example of sexism.
 
It's not virtue signaling to have more inclusion and diversity. The original SW was not diverse. It was mostly white. One female. That's not diversity.

And she earned her status as a princess who needed rescuing from the evil lair.

(Yes, I know there's lots more to Leia than the trope but the snark stands)
 
I truly think this is the heart of the matter. Rey does almost everything like either Luke or Anakin. Barely any explanation is given, Luke and Anakin do not appear more fussed than usual after using Force powers. All of this is accepted without blinking an eye.

Enter Rey. She comes from a much harsher background than either Luke or Anakin. She has to live by her instincts, fight to survive, and protect herself. She has no one looking out for her. She is a tried and true survivalist, and we are shown that within the first 5 minutes. Everything demonstrates she has the skills and the know how to be a great Force user because she can already trust her instincts, which Obi-Wan and Yoda had to beat Luke about the head to get him to learn.

Rey is only different because she is female.


It's not virtue signaling to have more inclusion and diversity. The original SW was not diverse. It was mostly white. One female. That's not diversity.

Because there is none.


She has a long history of combat experience.

Also, she looks like she is straining to me lifting the rocks...:shrug:

All of this comes down to perception. Or, as the liar Obi-Wan would put it, "Our own point of view.":shifty:
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