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Episode IX Speculation and Discussion

Let's hope rose tico is given decent development and lines and not used as a soap box for the director of given shitty cliche dialog.

The poor actress got he'll because of Rians cock up with her character.
No, she got hell because there are a lot of horrible, racist, sexist people in this world. There is absolutely no excuse for the way she was treated.
 
No, she got hell because there are a lot of horrible, racist, sexist people in this world. There is absolutely no excuse for the way she was treated.

There is no excuse I agree for the abuse. It's not the actresses fault.
But everyone knows there are vile people out that will jump on a actress for any weaknesses. Rian should of known that and made sure the writing was strong.
Giving a woman, minority actress such a terrible role was incompetence from him.

But no one can say rose tico was a well written character. It wasn't. Every line was a cliche, half of them contradictory.

If you look at rogue one with the most diverse cast you can see there was far less abuse at actors because they were mostly solid and well written.

Rian should have made sure the character of rose tico was 100% solid and foreseen any sloppy writing would exacerbate matters.
 
This feels suspiciously like "you must have done something to provoke him."
Not really.

Just there are really really shitty people out there who are going to blast any minority character or even non minority character. Therefore a director or producer has a responsibility of care to anyone they hire and should do everything in their power to minimise said back lash to that actor or actress.

This isn't the first time this has happened either. The poor actor that played jar jar got harrassed to hell and poor Jake lloyd ended up having a break down because of backlash he got from the way his role was handled.

I am not excusing those disgustingly "fans". They are pieces of shit. But like or not they are there and not going away.

As such any producer or director needs to plan for that.
Making the actress behind rose tico the Jar Jar binks of the sequel trilogy was careless and opened the poor woman to far more abuse than world of happend if the character had been better handled.

Again not making excuses for the "fans" that harassed her. In a ideal world they would disappear. But unfortunately they are not going away as long as the internet exists.
 
So, directors and producers should anticipate asshole behavior? And write based upon potentially negative reactions?

That becomes far more reactionary, protectionist, and gives those jerks way too much power.
 
So, directors and producers should anticipate asshole behavior? And write based upon potentially negative reactions?

That becomes far more reactionary, protectionist, and gives those jerks way too much power.

Writers, directors and producers should be writing good , solid and well developed characters anyway.
 
Writers, directors and producers should be writing good , solid and well developed characters anyway.
"Should" but don't always. And they don't deserve it no matter what.

We have had many movies without well-developed characters over the decades. None deserve abuse.
 
Not really.

Just there are really really shitty people out there who are going to blast any minority character or even non minority character. Therefore a director or producer has a responsibility of care to anyone they hire and should do everything in their power to minimise said back lash to that actor or actress.

This isn't the first time this has happened either. The poor actor that played jar jar got harrassed to hell and poor Jake lloyd ended up having a break down because of backlash he got from the way his role was handled.

I am not excusing those disgustingly "fans". They are pieces of shit. But like or not they are there and not going away.

As such any producer or director needs to plan for that.
Making the actress behind rose tico the Jar Jar binks of the sequel trilogy was careless and opened the poor woman to far more abuse than world of happend if the character had been better handled.

Again not making excuses for the "fans" that harassed her. In a ideal world they would disappear. But unfortunately they are not going away as long as the internet exists.
Rian Johnson could have written the most perfect and amazing character, and those same people still would have attacked Kelly Marie Tran. This has absolutely nothing to do with the writing or Rian Johnson, and any attempt to shift the blame anywhere other than the vile people who made those attacks is trying to make excuses for them.
 
Rian Johnson could have written the most perfect and amazing character, and those same people still would have attacked Kelly Marie Tran. This has absolutely nothing to do with the writing or Rian Johnson, and any attempt to shift the blame anywhere other than the vile people who made those attacks is trying to make excuses for them.
you might not be wrong.. doesn't make you right. Sure, people might have objected to her casting for any number of reason, including the need to hit the Asian demographic. There are also those that hate the character, how she belittles other characters around her, and broadbrushes the serious grey issues of moral rightness in war. They could also hate her actions at the end of the film. I'm not justifying how anyone treated the actress.. (she should not be treated as she was no matter what) but you can't just say that it had nothing to do with the writing. I'm not saying that any reason justifies such behavior.. but it could still be the reason for it
 
Rian Johnson could have written the most perfect and amazing character, and those same people still would have attacked Kelly Marie Tran. This has absolutely nothing to do with the writing or Rian Johnson, and any attempt to shift the blame anywhere other than the vile people who made those attacks is trying to make excuses for them.

Rubbish.

Rogue one had a diverse cast, more diverse than TLJ and there was little back lash.
Jack Loyd in Episode one was hounded to near suicide yet he was a white American child.

I am not saying there wasnt racists or sexists amongst the haters, their most certainly was. But a big bulk of the haters just didn't like character and took that hate way to far on a innocent actress.

And it's not making excuses. I have already said I find those "people" vile. It is finding the route of the problem and trying to prevent it happening again.
Starwars has a history of hate being directed at actors involved with it Kellie marrie Tran was not the first but hopefully could be the last.
 
Considering the amount of ownership some fans seem to put on “their” Star Wars, I sincerely doubt this will be the end of the hate.
 
The same execs that approved the best Star Wars story game in decades?

Jedi: Fallen Hero? Respawn was working on that before being bought by EA. They were just too far along in the process to throw all that money away.
 
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