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Production Order Group Viewing 2018

When do w e start TAS? I was unfortunately on a SW thread (Mandalorian) and same old political bickering came up. Need to clear my head.
 
When do w e start TAS? I was unfortunately on a SW thread (Mandalorian) and same old political bickering came up. Need to clear my head.
I had hoped to start this week but my usual viewing spot on Sunday got taken up with something else. If people are eager to start immediately that's fine by me, I'll just be a little behind.
Alternatively, we could start next Monday :)
 
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Do we know whether Janice Lester was a starfleet officer? Here's her background story:
The Enterprise has received a distress call from a group of scientists on Camus Two, who are exploring the ruins of a dead civilization. Their situation is desperate. Two of the survivors are the expedition surgeon, Doctor Coleman, and the leader of the expedition, Doctor Janice Lester.
So, instead of the officer track in Starfleet, she's got a doctorate in possibly archaeology, and she's the expedition leader. Also:
JANICE: The year we were together at Starfleet is the only time in my life I was alive.
KIRK: I never stopped you from going on with your space work.
This paints the picture that they were both in Starfleet, him for Starship service and her for "her space work" which doesn't sound like Starship service, rather both pieces of the puzzle suggest Lester was in the sciences for archaeology on planet expeditions rather than a ship-born assignment.
JANICE: Your world of starship captains doesn't admit women. It isn't fair.
KIRK: No, it isn't. And you punished and tortured me because of it.
JANICE: I loved you. We could've roamed among the stars.
I'm convinced that "your world of starship..." only applies to Kirk not wanting to get tied down in a serious relation or marriage since his goal was to be a Starship Captain and he knew a relationship could threaten that goal, and he agrees with it. She never wanted to be a Starship Captain, she just didn't want Kirk to be a Captain so they could be together. Fifteen years later and she's bitter(crazy?) and takes revenge of Kirk for her unhappiness.

If both of them wanted to be Captains, then how in the hell would they roam among the stars together on separate ships? Any ship-born posting would keep them apart. No, Lester expected Kirk to quit his career path and join hers as scientists exploring ancient civilizations, etc. Remember, Kirk's brother Sam was some sort of a scientist, so, it probably runs in his family...maybe young Jim Kirk saw the affects of marriage on his older brother's career choices...stuck on an obscure planet doing boring work. Not me!

This is the perfect explanation Henoch, I'm almost ready to forgive you for stealing Spock.


I'm not as familiar with the production order of TAS as I am for TOS but going by the production codes from Memory Alpha, this appears to be the viewing list:
  • More Tribbles, More Troubles
  • The Infinite Vulcan
  • Yesteryear
  • Beyond the Farthest Star
  • The Survivor
  • The Lorelei Signal
  • One of Our Planets Is Missing
  • Mudd's Passion
  • The Magicks of Megas-Tu
  • The Time Trap
  • The Slaver Weapon
  • The Ambergris Element
  • The Jihad
  • The Terratin Incident
  • The Eye of the Beholder
  • Once Upon a Planet
  • Bem
  • Albatross
  • The Pirates of Orion
  • The Practical Joker
  • How Sharper Than a Serpent's Tooth
  • The Counter-Clock Incident
Production order TAS will be a first for me. I didn't think tribbles would be first! :lol:

I'll try at least Tribbles today, mostly because I'm home sick from work, but crisistunity.
 
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Let it begin!
 
Wow. So much I want to say. First off, I vote for only one at a time, myself, I would get the 2 episodes muddled together.

Just as I just posted recently it's not really the same, I really did feel like it was just another episode of Star Trek this time around. I don't know what it is but these "critical" rewatches are so different than just watching the show again.

Yes it was shorter, but it had a story, a bit clipped in some places, but a whole story, and I'm happy we're continuing.

And there's quite a bit going on here. Genetic engineering, new weapons, but a recycled set of circumstances.

I guess Sherman's Planet would still be a concern of the Federation, and they are having a food problem that the Enterprise, noble ship that she is, is rushing to save lives once again.

Hopefully the governor of Sherman's isn't a graduate of the Kodos school of governing....

New robot ships! Cool. Maybe these are similar to the Wotan? That ore carrier was unescorted but this is a contested border area.
No one mentions the Organians. Maybe that was Chekov's job.

The Enterprise seems rather passive while the Klingon shoots at the ship. Is it a range issue?

I'm very curious what the Klingons weapons were. My opinion is that they were firing their phasers in "burst mode: like the Enterprise did vs the Warbird in Balance of Terror. They didn't seem to be disruptor bolts, they weren't coming from the disruptors, clearly colored green on the front of the drive units. I also thought at first, wow, why are they so bad at shooting, but then I realized they were chipping at him, trying to scare him into surrendering. The moment their sensors detected the Enterprise rescued the lifeforms, Bang, dead center.

Koloth doesn't introduce himself at all and they don't call him out until 2/3rds of the way through. ???

Jimmy tries but while I can kind of sort of hear he's trying to mimic not so much as how William Campbell sounded but how he delivered his lines as Koloth, it's still not enough for anyone not to say it's him sooner.
Funnily enough, Korax needs no introduction, I wonder who is doing his short lines.

So we get Koloth, tribbles, and Cyrano all again and all together all near Sherman's.
While that makes some sense, it also makes it a little like the universe stops moving when Enterprise isn't there.
It's not the worst but it's a small universe syndrome problem.
So many aliens to meet, so many traders, so many other Klingons even, and we get these bunch again, but having said that, the story does go in a new direction with novel concepts. It's like they're afraid to leave the new version to stand on it's own, maybe it's cautiousness or maybe just because Gerrold wrote this.
Overall, I like the story but it seemed like some of the zinger lines stuck out too much. I like some wit in a serious situation but some of the lines just fall flat. Also, I've read that "Gilligan" like crewman by the transporter was supposed to be Gerrold himself, I wish Scotty hit him over the head with his hat.

One line that threw me was Spock's: That may be true, but they rarely enter Federation space and fire on Federation vessels without reason. I thought, really! but then I realized Spock was saying this to Jones to get the truth out of him, then I was a very good line, Spock is doing that non lying again.
Something that surprised me was Spock being wrong on Koloth's second encounter, saying they are veering off when they actually just attacked the second cargo ship. That's not like Spock to be that wrong.
Uhura's first line was very extraneous and should have been cut or replace with a good line.

Hey! Is this the very first time we SEE a tractor beam! And it's coming out of the shuttle bay!?? The first time I thought it was to facilitate the cargo transfer but when it's coming out of there again to two the second ship..... (this disturbingly reminds me of Spider-Barclay for some reason *shudder*)

I wonder what that bigger weapon the Klingon used on Enterprise before the stasis field again, I thought that's what it was until it hit the shields and exploded. It might have been a disruptor but it came from the phaser banks. Maybe it was supposed to be a drone*?

I really loved seeing the phaser bolts hitting the Klingon and then the photon and the size of the respective impacts.

I don't want to get too picky regarding the animation but the one shot where Jones is brought up to the bridge after the first second cargo ship is damaged, Kirk asks Your tribbles are all over my ship. My security men can't find them all.
Kirk doesn't seem to have a mouth. It's there, but it's very lightly drawn and I had to rewatch that line and stare at it to see it, at first 2 viewings I though Kirk was doing the I have no mouth and must scream at Jones thing.

The oddest thing about the whole episode to me is at no time does Kirk or any officer say, "red alert" or "battle stations" And the red alert sounds really weird when it is flashing on the helm console.

I'm just going to say it. The navigator is not Chekov, Farrel, Hadley, or even Leslie. Not unless the transporter was really not working well recently. Who ever they are, they don't say a word or interact with anyone at all.

I forgot to mention the Glommer. There is a lot going on here, so an artificial life form that the Klingons can't seem to repeat, are they going to clone it? Is it capable of reproducing? It seems to eat several tribbles yet doesn't seem to grow itself, I'm wondering if it's litter trained. And it's clearly sentient if not sapient, he hauls ass when he sees that gigantic tribble. Hauling ass is a sign of sentience.


*In various in period publications and SFB which is based on same, the Klingons had auxiliary weapons systems referred to as "drones" basically the were low warp speed capable ballistic missiles. That didn't look like a missile but it blew up like one.


Looking forward to the next one!
 
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Okay, I'm in. My perspective going in is that I was born in 1965. I was alive when TOS originally aired (take THAT, Harrison Bergeron), but I was too young to be able to watch it. Somewhere around 1970 I started watching TOS, loved it, watched in reruns through the 70's.

But I AM old enough to have seen TAS when it originally aired Saturday mornings, and I remember I loved it. I read all the Alan Dean Foster novelizations. However, I haven't seen TAS since it aired some 45 years ago. At this point, I have vague recollections of a couple of my favorite episodes, but I can't remember anything about any others. I mean I'm looking at episode titles having no idea what they were about. It will be weird watching these episodes almost like it's the first time again.

I agree we should watch them in production order as that is what this thread is about.

I vote for one episode a week. I think each episode deserves to have its own time to be watched and commented on.

Without further ado, away we go...

More Tribbles, More Troubles

Like this is one I have completely forgotten.

Oh, that opening. Oh, that music. Really makes me nostalgic seeing and hearing that again.

Our old friend David Garrold is back with another yarn about tribbles.

People criticize the art, but I'm not minding it. The characters look like who they're supposed to be. Like someone said, the Enterprise looks good.

Scotty: "That blast decalibrated the integration parameters " Dang, I hate it when that happens.

It's our old friend Koloth! He sounds like James Doohan.

I see Arex sitting there, but he didn't get a line this episode. I was always outraged that Chekov wasn't in the show. I never cared much for Arex. Meh.

A new Klingon weapon! Seems like the best application for that is to immobilize the target ship in order to beam over a boarding party like they were trying to do here.

It's our old friend, Cyrano Jones. I always liked when they were able to get the original actors to reprise the roles.

Glommer? Oh, that poor tribble! And they just stood there and watched!

I like the art of the Klingon ship, clearly showing the Klingon symbols on the sides. Reminds me of putting the decals on my AMT Klingon ship model.

The battle scenes were not exactly putting me on the edge of my seat, but the story was entertaining enough for me.

The humor is a bit juvenile (and that's saying something coming from me), but it's a Saturday morning kids show, what do I expect? It's a bit slapstick for me now as an adult. Some did make me laugh though:

Uhura: "Well, we could always throw rocks. ", then
Spock: "We could always throw tribbles at them. " Ha ha.

The scene where they beam the glommer to the Klingon ship, Scotty has Captain's stripes! Congratulations to Scotty on his promotion.

I found the episode entertaining, but after watching TOS it feels lacking in substance. I know, Saturday morning kids show. It is nice to see new adventures with our favorite characters.

I protest that once again the tribbles are used as pawns, once again tribbles are beamed on board the Klingon ship where we know they are just going to get slaughtered. They are living beings!

Koloth must live with the indignity of allowing the Enterprise to beam tribbles on his ship not once, but twice. I'm surprised he could show his face around the Klingon empire.

I've mentioned it in different threads, but I'll say here too how glad I am that they did NOT include any stupid anthropomorphic animals or teenage sidekicks for stupid humor purposes. I don't need any teen cadets running around engaging in hijinks. That stuff insulted my intelligence even when I was a kid. I'm so glad they trusted the intelligence of kids and made smart episodes.

It was good, looking forward to more.

Alien Watch! Only new one I can think of.

Season One
The Glommer
 
One episode a week is fine by me - most episodes of TAS have to be fairly efficient in their storytelling due to the time constraint, which means a fair bit of content to discuss.
Some of the following points have been mentioned already by @Marsden and @Poltargyst but since I wrote the review before they posted, I'm going to include them anyway! :nyah:

MORE TRIBBLES, MORE TROUBLES

A new series, unlimited possibilities...and yet this is the most fanservice I have ever seen crammed into an episode of Star Trek :mad: Either that or David Gerrold is an uncreative hack who only ever had one good script in him which he has been mining ever since :whistle:

Okay, maybe that was too harsh but there is a LOT of reused material here from The Trouble With Tribbles! We have:
  • Sherman's planet at starvation risk (again)
  • Quintrotriticale (apparently quadrotriticale wasn't good enough)
  • Klingon captain Koloth (still assigned to this area)
  • Emergency plan B is...exactly the same as the resolution of TTWT (doesn’t Koloth learn? And why aren’t his shields up in a combat situation?)
  • Klingons get covered in a pile of tribbles (just like Kirk did in TTWT)
  • And then Kirk gets covered in tribbles again. :brickwall::brickwall::brickwall:
This all makes the galaxy seem very, very small :thumbdown:

The tribbles & Cyrano Jones are less objectionable as they form a core component to the story and Jones himself brings aboard one of the more inventive new elements; the Glommer! :techman:
This creature represents a natural progression of the Tribble Menance and the Klingons' attempt to deal with it. The Glommer is also an inventive and original design that would have been completely impossible with the effects available to the original series. This is a big advantage the medium of animation gives, used to its full advantage in other areas as well:
  • We get a new drone ship design
  • We get a new scout ship design (both within the first 2 minutes)
  • There's an orange skinned three armed fellow in Chekov’s seat. Who's he?
  • The ceiling of the Bridge is seen from a low shot of Kirk and also above the viewscreen from a forward shot - in both cases it's a moving starfield! This would suggest that the ceiling is actually a huge transparent dome (implied in The Cage but refuted in WNMHGB and ITITNB) which is an absurd design but visually very impressive
The trope of the Enterprise vs the Klingons is a classic plotline of course, but there's some great ship to ship combat here, along with a fearsome new weapon. Then there's the notion of genetic engineering being used on tribbles to alter their metabolisms, how easily such technology can go wrong when used incorrectly. These are all strong points to the story.

7 minutes into the episode Cyrano Jones turns up with bloomin' tribbles and the serious situation introduced threatens to go to pot (akin to so many second season outings). However, to my great surprise this doesn't happen: Even when the situation becomes light hearted the music stays serious, or at least the humour is treated wryly. The goofy music doesn't actually intrude until near the end, which does not match my recollection of this episode at all :eek:

James Doohan was given some very fun lines:
We've got tribbles on the ship, quintrotriticale in the corridors, Klingons in the quadrant. It can ruin your whole day, sir.
and
But you've got to admit, if we've got to have tribbles, it's best if all our tribbles are little ones.


OTHER THOUGHTS:
  • Wow, what a bopping update to the theme tune!
  • Also, the Star Trek universe is now a LOT more colourful now (something that used to be wrongly attributed to Hal Sutherland being colourblind)
  • There's a second exit to the bridge???
  • That new Klingon weapon is amazing, but
  • Uhura’s first line in this new series is pure sass. Nice!
  • Kirk’s ongoing gag with the tribble in his chair is quite funny :D

All in all not a bad first outing, although I wish they'd avoided repeating wholesale so many elements from The Trouble With Tribbles.
 
I remember seeing this episodes at the Museum of Broadcasting in the late 80’s in NYC. I had them putt this from the archives and it was the first time I had seen the series since it first ran.

This is not a favorite and I can see why they didn’t choose to lead the series with this. The jokes are really obvious and some stand out as over the top (Scotty’s “it could ruin your whole day, sir!”). IT was really David Gerrold recycling his own material and didn’t add a lot new to the mythos. It was nice to have Stanley Adams back as Cyrano, but he didn’t really contribute much to the story. I always chuckle when he first beams aboard. He materializes in a “pose” more appropriate as a character model or a promotional ad.

I did appreciate how much time is devoted to the music in the beginning. Back in the time before we had the music on CD, that stretch after the credits made its way to my music library.

Fun, I guess, but Beyond the Farthest Star was a much better premiere.
 
There's an orange skinned three armed fellow in Chekov’s seat. Who's he?
I thought he looks and sounds like Lt. Hadley. :guffaw:
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That new Klingon weapon is amazing, but
Now for my trek tech analysis:
KIRK: The new weapon. Spock?
SPOCK: Some kind of field effect, Captain. It will hit us in precisely four seconds. It produces a most remarkable (the weapon hits) disruption.
SCOTT: Now, what
(He mutters and works the controls)
SULU: Our engines are dead.
SPOCK: Captain, we have been hit by a kind of projected stasis field. Our matter-antimatter generators are disabled. We are paralysed.
KIRK: Fire phasers.
SULU: The phasers don't work, sir.
SPOCK: The photon torpedoes will not respond, either. The stasis field disables all higher-order field and warp functions.
UHURA: Well, we could always throw rocks.
SPOCK: This new Klingon weapon must be one of surprising power if it can immobilize a starship. The energy drain on the Klingon ship would be enormous.
<and later in further analysis>
SPOCK: It is an energy-sapping field of great strength, Captain. It immobilizes a starship and its weapons capability. But apparently, it also immobilizes the attacking ship's abilities at the same time.
SCOTT: Aye, and if that's true, then it's a weapon that leaves them as helpless as it does us.
A stasis field weapon! Yikes! First, I'm wondering what happened to the matter-antimatter reactor on the ship. :shrug: Didn't Gerrold watch any TOS episodes before his attempt at technobabble? :mad: This is pre-Three Mile Island, so, a perceived confusion with nuclear reactors and scaring little kids probably is not needed, yet. So, are the "generators" actually the "reactors" or are they really down stream generators that generate energy for the warp engines or upstream generators that generate power for the matter and antimatter fuel systems (gas heating to plasma, magnetic containment/transfer systems and the injectors/integrator)? Could be another term for the main energizers. At this point, I'm leaning on it affecting the power for the fuel systems, so, the M/AM reactors stuff out and with that the warp engines.

Scott could have used a portable version of the status weapon to save the ship during That Which Survives. :whistle: Odd that the Stardate is 5392.4 which puts it in the beginning half of Season 3 and probably before That Which Survives (no Stardate given).

The stasis field weapon only affects the "higher-order field and warp functions". Losing the M/AM power system will cause loss of the warp drive: check. Phasers and photon torpedo systems (and I'll throw in deflector shields) must need to generate a high power energy field in order to operate which the new weapon also paralyzes: okay, I can buy it.

The speed of the status field is a slow weapon, needing 4 seconds to reach the Enterprise; I wonder why the Enterprise just didn't move aside at warp speed? The Klingon weapon must have either run out of power or overloaded and failed since it was not used by the end of the first part of the battle. Good thing Kirk had those robot ships handy to exhaust the Klingon weapon. After a short retreat, the Klingons return with their weapon either recharged or repaired. Spock speculates that it was a recharging problem: okay, I can go with Spock on this.

Overall, I'd rate this new weapon as ineffective in one-on-one attacks since it leave you incapacitated, too. I recommend that the Klingons bring at least one more ship to the battle so as one holds your enemy, the other can destroy it. :klingon:
 
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Yeah, the stasis field weapon is only lacking some additional support ships to make it devastatingly effective.
Perhaps if Klingon ships could start travelling in pairs. Or even threes? :whistle:


Something I forgot in my episode review:

NEW SETS
The interior of the Klingon ship, complete with corridors and an Engine Room!
All thanks to the media of animation :techman:
 
Overall, I'd rate this new weapon as ineffective in one-on-one attacks since it leave you incapacitated, too. I recommend that the Klingons bring at least one more ship to the battle so as one holds your enemy, the other can destroy it. :klingon:

That's how we used them, back in the war. I'd try to have my stasis armed ship approach the largest enemy ship obliquely to close range without being obvious and bang, their biggest unit is immobilized while the rest of the fleet takes out the rest. Then everyone can capture the big ship with marines after the escorts are gone. Of course if the dreadnaught caught on and mauled the stasis cruiser first, well... that was less desirable.
 
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