^ Unless there is a version of the film with the scene added back in. I don't know if this is the case.
Terminator VI
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There actually is, to be fair. I saw it on tv some years ago.
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You're missing the point? I loved the original Terminator and it had a female hero. I loved the first alien and it had a female hero. What I don't like is a obvious feminist/sjw agenda change to a franchise just for the sake of a message. We had 3 female leads in this movie and the Latino female is now the savior of mankind. It totally obliterated what the series was all about which is John Connors. Using a Latino female is a obvious SJW talking point because of what's going on at our border. Genysis also made the mistake of ruining John Connors which is why it failed(that movie also just sucked as a whole). They lost big money on this movie and we won't be seeing another unless it's a cheap direct to video. No one's buying this crap anymore. They could have just had Sarah as the main hero and an older John that would become what he was to become just much later on and then bring in new characters to assist. But instead they went a certain route because of the supposed woke popularity. Well that gamble looks like it will lose them millions? I find that highly amusing.
So you like older films with a female lead, but not new ones?
You really imagine there was no feminism written into the original films?
Even without Reese, T2 definitely has a male hero - the T-800.
They were fresh properties and they weren't so obvious in giving us a feminist message. The movies actually tried to just entertain us. To change an existing property and purposefully revise it like this movie did was so obvious that the audience knows they are being preached to. T3 at least followed what the originals set us up for and had John follow his destiny. T3 also gave us a strong female partner for John. This movie is failing because it wanted to school people. It is tracking to be a even bigger failure then Genysis. Even I thought that was an impossibility. Lol
The way the Terminator movies go is Arnold is the star and monster of the first movie where Sarah is the lead and final girl because it is horror movie and Reese is co-lead. The second one has kind of the same dynamic only T2 is more action movie than horror so Sarah is changed to be a action star and Arnold replaces Reeces old role and John replaces Sarah's. The story was always about Sarah but the Terminators especially Arnold were the drawl. It's like a zombie movie. No matter how cool your human characters are it is the zombies people come to see. If the Terminator isn't awesome and featured heavily you will never get people into this franchise again. Jason
I recall once seeing third-hand a story about a director saying to the studio marketing team "Opening weekend is your job, everything after that is on me."
Sarah Connor's dialog in Judgement Day is almost entirely about how all men are monsters and deserve to die. She literally says a weapon is a better father figure than any man.
"Fucking men like you built the hydrogen bomb. Men like you thought it up. You think you're so creative. You don't know what it's like to really create something; to create a life; to feel it growing inside you. All you know how to create is death and destruction," is a subtle and tasteful message everyone can agree on, but a character named Dani Ramos appearing in a movie at all is, well, that's just political. We all know Mexicans aren't real, they're something made up by Fox News to get people in the Midwest to buy overpriced gold and scream and cry for a wall they'll never see in a place they'll never go to keep out people they'd never meet, so a movie showing a latinx person who isn't blasting raps and shooting all the jobs is clearly scoring insincere political points and not reflecting any aspect of the real world.
Not all men built the hydrogen bomb.
If this movie failed it has nothing to do with SJW agenda stuff. The blame is mostly because they failed to capsure peoples imagination with it's new Terminator. This is why I said awhile back they needed someone in the role that was big as Arnold in the day and also someone that looks the part. Like The Rock or Hemsworth or Elba. People would show up to see Sarah Connor fight The Rock but not just some random dude they if lucky remember him on Agents of Shield. Jason
The effects were good but the movie stunk. Just like the force awakens the first frame of this movie invalidates what came before. Luke Skywalker was cast aside and everything he fought for in the first films was undone. Why do all this? What is the point of it? Man I hope they don't do this with Picard. I want the hero I grew up with intact battle worn but intact.
Assuming you accept that the Terminator is a character at all and not simply a machine designed to look human, you also have the question of whether it has gender (if so then T3 become even more of a female led piece with female protagonist AND antagonist).
The film is ambiguous on that point and does, as others have pointed out, mark a clear divide between it and "a real man".
All of which is secondary to the simple fact that Sarah is without a doubt the dominant character within the group and the film, acting absolutely as the driving force once released.
It reports to John and John in turn worships her.
She's the lead both in terms of being the protagonist, the star and the dominant member of the on screen social hierarchy.
No, it was obvious in the first film and lots of us got that at the time, we just didn't require Youtube to tell us.
The Terminator was male. Geez. Man it is tanking hard today. Most writers are starting to question that the woke movement in movies might be going a little to far. I really am enjoying this. It's so funny.
A piece of metal becomes male because it was shaped like a male?
You are assigning gender to machines?
So in T3, the terminator was female, yes?
We are all machines.
How many different ways is this not true? Let me think...
1) Sarah has a son, so if she really was shitting on all men, she'd be doing it to John too. And she wouldn't do that.
2) She doesn't say "all men", she says "men like you".
3) After her little rant, John corrects her, and she calms down.
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