So has Rey. Did you actually watch the entire movie and not random clips in a YouTube video?
Poll Is Rey a Mary Sue?
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Yes. Women can be better than men when they doing a job. In real life they are usually rewarded with lower wages, more difficulties in breaking to senior positions, hostility and derision.
But since it is a science fiction movie, Rey is actually appreciated for what she is doing. This is more unrealistic than The Force or Midi-chlorians.
It's possible... but they'll probably team up to defeat a larger threat. I just don't think Disney would do that to their own Star Wars character, I mean have her be defeated in the last film.
I think his arguments have lost all contact with factual reality many pages ago.
The article just reminds us that she is better just because she is better!!
It's cheap storytelling
It's cheap storytelling
From your own link:
"This led to haters stupidly calling her a "Mary Sue," when it's clear she's just as much a Chosen One as Anakin Skywalker was."
The article itself that you are praising for its accuracy and finality is the opinion of just one guy who read a peripheral comic and offered his perspective on the content. But even he says your opinion is stupid and that you're a hater. Well, it's a good thing his word is final according to you.
Her initial attempt at Force suggestion didn't work. She was soundly outclassed by a wounded and emotionally compromised Kylo for most of their fight until she could focus. She couldn't save Han. She was tempted to the Dark Side by Kylo. Her visions were unclear or misleading or being "hacked" and manipulated by Kylo.
Those are just a few of her stuggles from a Force related perspective. Not even including her many struggles as a person.
And like her, both Anakin and Luke displayed latent Force powers prior to receiving any training. Exceptional mechanical aptitude, piloting skills, multilingualism. Young Han also has those traits to a lesser extent despite his similar street urchin background, but then out-universe that just goes to show that those are traits common to lead Star Wars characters, while in-universe you can say it's indicative of early childhood electronic education in the Star Wars galaxy, for even the poorest and parentless.
I want to find my parents. I want to find Luke Skywalker. I want to kill and/or redeem Kylo Ren. I want to snap Luke out of his existential funk and restore the Jedi Order. I want Han Solo's mentorship. I want Luke, Leia, and Han to be proud of me. I want to fight for the Resistance against the Empire.
The article is showing us at most that filmmakers/writers within a franchise tend to try and upstage existing materail within said franchise, either for the sake of uniqueness and wanting to do something new and fresh, or because having a higher budget, greater freedom of choice, more experience, and improved technical and fight choreography allows the showrunner/writer to push the envelope on what the character can do
Peter David is right. If Rey was a white dude, you'd be eating it up.
No more of an issue than Luke was. If she had a penis but was the same in every other way, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Well, that was surreal. It just kept going on, but it was also continuously funny, even after it got tedious. Truly the work of a great comedic genius.
The Chosen One jumped into a fighter as a nine year old child with no training or piloting experience or combat experience and destroyed a battleship in one damn shot, instantly winning the battle. But of course the Chosen One is a white male and we accept this as natural. But Rey's a woman and her using the mind trick or wielding a lightsabre under similar circumstances is a threat to our white masculine pride and can not be tolerated.
Why Disney, why won't you allow representation for the white man? What have we ever done to deserve to be neglected? I mean, you know, aside from neglecting everyone else who wasn't a white man for the past thousand years and screwing the world over with bad decisions that were enacted only because the one coming up with them was a white man?
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Ok, I take the bait. Can I have a clear, univocal definition of "Mary Sue", supported by some serious source that it isn't a rambling Youtube video, please? Some kind of academic reference, you know? And saying "a Mary Sue is what I say it is" just doesn't cut it.
Otherwise, any discussion on this subject is useless.
Other than being whiny and being unable to control his temper, when did Anakin actually struggle in the prequel trilogy? He was nine and had built C-3PO, was able to maintain a pod racer, go up against the best and eventually win, and (as pointed out upthread) destroyed a Trade Federation starship pretty much single-handedly.
He had to struggle with his male whiteness, man! Do you know what a burden it is?!?
I'm sure he had problems with other Jedi who got ahead because of affirmative action. But whenever he called out this unfair practice, Mace Windu would just deny affirmative action and say the other Jedi got ahead because they've been training since they were three as opposed to Anakin who has only been training for three years.
so the article argues that she is not a mary sue by pointing out how big a mary sue she is.
she is
-overpowered
-her power level is unexplained
-she is a perfectly good character, always nice and virtuous
-no personality or no personality that she is developing into and she has no personality flaws
-no faults
-instantly liked by everyone
-wish fulfillment by the author
- never embarrassed and when she does fail she immediately fixes it
- she doesn't need help or training
the article is so bloody stupid..
she is
-overpowered
-her power level is unexplained
-she is a perfectly good character, always nice and virtuous
-no personality or no personality that she is developing into and she has no personality flaws
-no faults
-instantly liked by everyone
-wish fulfillment by the author
- never embarrassed and when she does fail she immediately fixes it
- she doesn't need help or training
the article is so bloody stupid..
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I forgot to add: he was banging a super hot Queen turned Senator, and grew into powers that made everyone call him the "Chosen One". About the only bad thing that I think happened, was that the Jedi didn't make him a "Master" as fast as he wanted because they didn't think he was ready. Which, proving their point, he threw in with the Dark Side.
What is a "Mary Sue"? I'm very interested in what your definition is...
This despite the fact that he was stated to be the youngest Jedi in the thousand generation history of the Order to sit on the Council. Yep, life was so hard for Anakin and the struggles he had to bear.
It's a quite interesting article, but it doesn't really contain a clear-cut definition of "Mary Sue"...
Good read anyway, thanks
