I remember perfectly that at that moment I got up and asked aloud for a ticket refund!
Poll Is Rey a Mary Sue?
- Thread starter fireproof78
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Joking aside, in universe three years passed between ANH and TESB. I suppose that Luke learned some tricks by himself. Let us remember that the following films have shown us that moving something (with difficulty) as small as a lightsaber is nothing impressive. And perhaps Obi's ghost sometimes helped him.
Those are awfully big leaps to take without accompanying dialogue, which is what some folks are demanding of Rey.
Interesting to note that all of these things seem to happen during moments of great stress when the character is facing an existential threat.
Well, the new Marvel Comics are considered canon. There, Luke found the the Journals of Ben Kenobi on Tatooine before the battle of Hoth.
What about the millions of ticket buyers that don't read the novels/comics? For us it is a massive plot gap, and why I'm not a fan of making novels/comics "canon".
Then there's the fact that the next creative team could come in and wave it all away with a line of dialogue.
Exactly, the EU comics and books were also canon on some level, but that rug was pulled from under the fans.
"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me, you can't get fooled again" -Pres Bush
not wasting my time with the replacements
so.. she flied the Falcon before? So that's how she knows how the Falcon works?
Oh wait: "This ship hasn't flown in "years."
Ok
FINN: "How did you do that?"
REY: I don't know.
Wait, you don't know?? You pulled off a few moves without a co-pilot that would give Han and Lando pause and you don't know...
Then she says something like "I've flown before but never left the planet."
So which is it? JJ, getting through this is important, this is just getting harder and harder for us to believe. JJ just wanted a "fly the Falcon" scene. That's all.. to say that it has anything to do with following character or story would be to say that Jar Jar Abrams and Disney has pulled the wool over your eyes. Also no one complained Luke's ability to do things until it came time to defend Rey's abilities.
Oh wait: "This ship hasn't flown in "years."
Ok
FINN: "How did you do that?"
REY: I don't know.
Wait, you don't know?? You pulled off a few moves without a co-pilot that would give Han and Lando pause and you don't know...
Then she says something like "I've flown before but never left the planet."
So which is it? JJ, getting through this is important, this is just getting harder and harder for us to believe. JJ just wanted a "fly the Falcon" scene. That's all.. to say that it has anything to do with following character or story would be to say that Jar Jar Abrams and Disney has pulled the wool over your eyes. Also no one complained Luke's ability to do things until it came time to defend Rey's abilities.
Eh, I'm of the opinion that canon status in not important to read. I never took the EU books seriously as the continuation of the SW saga. They are fun, interesting at times, and a good variety of stories, but never felt real in the story sense.
The same way Luke knows how to fly an X-Wing even though he has never flown one before.
Instincts. It's called instincts.
Because it wasn't a point of contention until the complaints about Rey came up, and showcase the bizarre double standard.
you quoted me but actually cleared up nothing.
CAFFEE: I want the TRUTH!
JESSIP: You can't HANDLE the truth!
They could never be taken seriously in their totality. I mean.. Waru for goodness sake, and whoever was in charge of the project sometimes let their writers venture forth on tangents that no one wanted. The Joiners were not interesting enough for 3 books, let alone a short story. if you took a drink every time the words "exploded in pain" was used in a sentence, you'd b be dead now, even if the drink was water. I felt like we knew too much about Boba Fett and his dysfunctional family. If it had kept on we would have known what brand of toilet paper he favored. And then there were the Barabels. Neverending crap about Barabels. Troy Denning really seemed like he was making his own universe and grafting into into the EU sometimes. I digress. Ok.. deep breath. I don't miss the EU so much when I remember the flaws.
Yes, I did. I stated why Luke and Rey are similar, since Luke's piloting skills in a T-16 are demonstrated to transfer to an X-Wing, even though we have no on screen evidence that the two are similar beyond Luke's flying.
Same thing with training. Luke being able to use the Force to pull a lightsaber to him in ESB has no set up and no training . Where is the objection to that.
Rey is treated with a double standard of expecting every single skill to have a resume to detail her experience. This is not required of Luke or Anakin and it is bizarre.
"We need a pilot"
"We've got one...I've flown ships just never left the planet"
Do you imagine that people need to learn from fresh every time they get in a different ship?
Exactly, it's the tortuous attempts to explain how that double standard is about story telling conventions or necessity in one case but not the other which is bizarre until you look at one simple distinguishing variable.
It's exactly what happens in the real world, where women have to reach higher thresholds to be accepted than their male counterparts.
Only if its Rey, it seems. If Finn had done it no explanation required.
All I wanted was Rey to lose a lightsaber fight against a person who appeared to have some skill. Does anyone believe Rey will finally lose a fight with Kylo, in the last film of that Trilogy???
Sure, it's possible.
And before using every single skill, she should pause to show us the forenamed resume, possibly with a letter of introduction from a previous employer. So, only when every single white male in the audience is convinced she is qualified enough, she could use her skill.
If she doesn't show enough proficiency in using her skill, she will be derided and insulted. If she is good enough, she will be labeled a "Mary Sue" and will be derided and insulted.
