Yep.
The foreign box office performance of this movie has been extraordinary. Wonder how much of the world really even knows or cares that it's connected to Teh Batman? Meh, fanboi stuff.
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Yep.
The foreign box office performance of this movie has been extraordinary. Wonder how much of the world really even knows or cares that it's connected to Teh Batman? Meh, fanboi stuff.
It seemed like a very realistic telling of a fantasy character’s origin. I wish more superhero movies were made in this manner. I’m tired of watching people with super strength punch each other and complain for three hours.
It does have to do with it. It shows that DC's biggest recent success shows that they can't even do that with their properties, they just use the name to make different stories about different characters and use the name to get an audience.
So you wish CBMs were ashamed of themselves again?
No, I wish they were interesting.
Agreed, which is why despite the obvious fantasy side, character-driven films such as Captain America: The Winter Soldier is a jewel in the crown among the majority of modern superhero films, and did not suffer from aging almost overnight like so many superhero movies.
Unfortunately, you should expect more of that.
It sounds more like you're someone ashamed of comics, and thus shouldn't even be watching these movies.
The "grounded" approach nearly destroyed the Genre in the first place.
Oh please leave it to the "grounded" types like Nolan, the Guardians of the Galaxy would be a deranged Biker Gang on Earth and not aliens. And the Asgardians would be a LARPer Cult.
No harm done.
Anyway, one would have to be attached to comic book movies in order to be "ashamed" of them. "Just not impressed" really covers most of it.
Trying to do the "Grounded" approach is what led to MoS and BvS. So yes, harm done.
It extends to the directors and writers and actors involved too, like Singer and Nolan both being ashamed of the genre and wanting others to be ashamed of it too.
I read comics for a long time, so no I’m not ashamed of them. I actually liked Man of Steel.
I read comics for a long time, so no I’m not ashamed of them. I actually liked Man of Steel.
Same here, and MoS and BvS were far superior to must of the Power Rangers-esque dreck that's been passed off as superhero films for the past decade.
Some like quality in fantasy.
Being grounded is what made them a success. The X-Men started off in a concentration camp. We know the impact of the Nolan movies. Even Phase 1 of the MCU and their two most popular characters in Stark and Cap are very much from our world. The reason the MCU has been able to try more crazy things is because the MCU was built from a more grounded place. Jason
Superior in being high on their own pretentiousness, maybe. Marvel doesn't have its head up its ass so it's fine with being more about its characters as people and less "Look at how DEEP we are!"
Hardly. If the MCU was "grounded" they'd have made Captain America be a returning Vet with PTSD who wears a blue T Shirt with a Star on it and the Red Skull a Neo-Nazi drug pusher who lives in Steve's Apartment building.
Iron Man was about a guy who builds something as powerful as a Nuclear Reactor that is also the size of a fist from a box of scraps, and Captain America was about a guy fighting a mutated Nazi using an Alien Relic to try and take over the world.
Ain't nothing grounded about that. And Thor came out before Cap's first movie.
Your understanding of what comic books and comic book movies not only can be but often are is very limited. It's an artform, not a genre.
Anyway, I guess it's that time again.
No, no harm done, since they keep making these films. Only harm is some people do not enjoy them, like I don't like MoS.
And that's OK. The definition of "harm done" seems very thin.
I think whether the grounded approach works really depends on the character. Taking an already fairly down to Earth character like Captain America or Batman, and making a more grounded movie, like The Dark Knight or The Winter Soldier works. The only time I have a problem with it is when they take a more out there character, like the Guardians of the Galaxy, or Thor, and make drastic changes to them to make them more grounded.
In general, I much prefer the bigger, crazier stuff, like Endgame or Guardians of the Galaxy, but there are still some great grounded movies, like The Dark Knight Trilogy or The Winter Soldier.
In general, I much prefer the bigger, crazier stuff, like Endgame or Guardians of the Galaxy, but there are still some great grounded movies, like The Dark Knight Trilogy or The Winter Soldier.
You can keep repeating this, but it's still as silly as the first time. (I want to use stronger language, but tired of being banned)
So, this is the last time this will be said to you: nobody is ashamed of comics. They just want to either adapt the comic style that they like, not the one you like, or they want to make a movie that will appeal to a larger demographic.
Speaking of which, given the relative small budget for Joker and it's box office success, I wonder if there will be a realignment over how much is spent.
Deadpool and Deadpool 2 basically did the same world wide box office, yet the 2nd one cost almost twice as much. More money on the screen doesn't mean more profit.
Don't costs go up because of inflation,actors pay and the need to sort of top yourself with this movie would be even more over the top funny violence? Jason
Inflation had nothing to do with the cost difference between Deadpool 1 and 2.
Twice the cost for the same revenue is terrible business sense.
Agreed. The grounded approach works great for Batman but, IMO, not so much for Superman. What made their conflict so interesting in the comics was their alternative outlook on the world and that was what was missing from BvS. I thought it was a good movie that could have been better had they not pushed so quickly towards Justice League. Also anyone who says comic book movies shouldn't be grounded has never read The Dark Knight Returns, The Long Halloween, The Killing Joke or any dark novel from the 80s onward .
With Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Suicide Squad, Shazam and now Joker being successful it seems like DC is finally on the right track. Forget trying to establish a universe, give directors more freedom in how they interpret these characters and don't handicap them by trying to shoehorn the movies into a certain template. I hope they continue on that path.
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