The Cloud Minders & The Federation

[johnnybear]

Czenite? Surely it was Zenite, plain and simple?
JB

 

[Shawnster]

When I imagine such a utopian society, I imagine there still being people who struggle. People raised in a mine where there is gas that causes mental disability are a perfect example. I imagine they didn't get the same treatment as children as people with parents with professional jobs on earth. So they grow up to be different people. Some get out of it, but some repeat the behaviors of their parents, even if they are removed from exposure to the gas.

I think of Ensign Ro as an example. She visits that camp of Bajoran refugees and says they reminded her of her childhood. She got out of that life and wants nothing to do with it now. Despite being out of it, she still has a different attitude from people who group up in prosperous conditions.

You can lump in Turkana IV to this list. Still a ruined waste during TNG first season. The Federation turned their back and did nothing to help those poor people. And they were Federation citizens!

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ No, Turkana IV declared independence and seceded from the Federation.

 

[Timo]

...Which put an end to the Federation-era misery of rape gangs and whatnot.

Really, the timeline of "Legacy" suggests the Cadres were a vast improvement over Federation rule.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Mytran]

^ No, Turkana IV declared independence and seceded from the Federation.

Maybe not exactly, but they clearly wanted to be left alone

Captain's log, supplemental. We are in orbit above Turkana Four, an Earth colony that severed relations with the Federation nearly fifteen years ago.

 

[Tenacity]

^ No, Turkana IV declared independence and seceded from the Federation.

No, a small number of thugs basically kidnapped an entire colony of people, and the Federation let them do it.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Ships moving at impulse transporting people between them.

Planets rotating on their axis.

Also a change in gravitational potential energy when beaming from low altitude to high or vice versa.

Yes, the transporter can routinely compensate for changes in potential and kinetic energy.

 

[Timo]

And angular momentum and the like. If the device also violates conservation of energy and mass, it's hardly an offense worth mentioning.

No, a small number of thugs basically kidnapped an entire colony of people, and the Federation let them do it.

We hear how it happened: there was anarchy under UFP rule, fifteen years before the secession, and the Cadres arose to meet the challenge, offering their services to the government and then becoming the government. Worf thinks the place is still lawless, but his information is fifteen years out of date, based on stories from Tasha Yar who left around when the colony seceded. If anything, the place has too much law, two sets of it with two sets of enforcers - perhaps a commentary on commercial security businesses run amok.

Timo Saloniemi