They mentioned Vesper Fairchild in Elseworlds, as someone Oliver Queen had a fling with in his younger days.
Spoilers Batwoman - Season 1
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That's great!
Though when she was on Colbert the other night, her leg was still in a cast. So she'll probably be shown behind a desk or something.
Though when she was on Colbert the other night, her leg was still in a cast. So she'll probably be shown behind a desk or something.
Voice only, at least for now.
With a synopsis for Episode 3 having been released, I'm wondering whether or not there's been anything filmed for it that retroactively 'hints' at Kate's part in "Elseworlds" since we've been told that the events of that crossover take place after BW E3 and before BW E4.
And I don't believe a broadcaster has been officially announced here yet
Pretty effective start to the series, and Ruby Rose gave a good performance, belying the criticisms I've heard about her acting. Interesting setup that Kate's narration is letters to Bruce, and that they were close while at the same time she resented Batman.
It's interesting how personal it all was. I was wondering what reason Kate would have for donning the cape and cowl rather than joining the Crows, and I was expecting something more plot-related, but it turned out to be the result of a pretty interesting family dynamic -- Jacob can't bear to risk losing another loved one, but because of that, he can't fulfill her need to be where the action is. Plus we've got the added family issue with Alice, which I'm glad they didn't drag out before revealing. Granted, as a rule I'm not crazy about shows where everything revolves around the main characters' immediate families, but it's a novel element to a Bat-related series (although there has been more of that in the comics in recent years, what with Damien, a villain claiming to be Thomas Wayne, and so forth).
It looked like they shot the pilot in Chicago -- and I think they used the same facade for that place Alice was holed up that they used for Arkham in Elseworlds. I expect they'll be back in Vancouver for the rest of the series.
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised at the lack of any connection to the larger Arrowverse. Makes sense that they need to establish themselves first. Still, I would've expected at least a minor nod to other superheroes or something.
I was wondering how they'd update Kate's origin story, given that it's based in the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy that was revoked some years ago in the Army. It looks like they approached it as the policy of the specific academy they were at, which seemed more like a private military school of some sort.
It's interesting how personal it all was. I was wondering what reason Kate would have for donning the cape and cowl rather than joining the Crows, and I was expecting something more plot-related, but it turned out to be the result of a pretty interesting family dynamic -- Jacob can't bear to risk losing another loved one, but because of that, he can't fulfill her need to be where the action is. Plus we've got the added family issue with Alice, which I'm glad they didn't drag out before revealing. Granted, as a rule I'm not crazy about shows where everything revolves around the main characters' immediate families, but it's a novel element to a Bat-related series (although there has been more of that in the comics in recent years, what with Damien, a villain claiming to be Thomas Wayne, and so forth).
It looked like they shot the pilot in Chicago -- and I think they used the same facade for that place Alice was holed up that they used for Arkham in Elseworlds. I expect they'll be back in Vancouver for the rest of the series.
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised at the lack of any connection to the larger Arrowverse. Makes sense that they need to establish themselves first. Still, I would've expected at least a minor nod to other superheroes or something.
I was wondering how they'd update Kate's origin story, given that it's based in the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy that was revoked some years ago in the Army. It looks like they approached it as the policy of the specific academy they were at, which seemed more like a private military school of some sort.
Batwoman
Season 1 - Episode 1 - "Pilot"
Kane/BW: Flashback training scene was trying to get a Batman Begins vibe.
Contrary to what the trailers implied, Kane is not resentful of Bruce Wayne, but cites him as the one person she could rely on in her early years.
So, her father sent her away not because of her sexuality (which is what some were thinking who were aware of certain story elements pre-premiere), but she reminded him of his deceased wife and other daughter.
Jacob Kane: So far, he's competent and not unfeeling about his relationships. So far....
Luke Fox: Waiting for his character to not be the "Nervous Black Nerd" stereotype and move beyond that.
Sophie Moore: "I don't have the luxury of being offended by that"--important statement, meaning she's likely talking about a black woman needing the opportunities of the military and cannot make some stand like a white (gay) woman can--one who is also not suffering financially.
I hope her marriage is not going to be passed off as Moore "keeping up appearances" / shame, only for Moore to destroy her marriage to go back to Kane. If the series was brave, they would acknowledge that Moore's choice happens in real life.
Alice: Sadistic and manipulative--but at the right tone as not be cartoon villainess level. This still-living sister playing on Kane's suggested abandonment issues--with her ex as the preferred surrogate daughter should be an emotional undercurrent that is not easily resolved once Moore is rescued. I would like to see Kane and her father have their real bonding moment--and not because she takes up the Bat-mantle.
Chuck Dodgson: Predictable that he would be the traitor among Jacob Kane's ranks.
NOTES: A bit rushed, as Kane is no way ready to do what a well-seasoned, costumed crimefighter can (used to the high-flying, brutal life Batman typically deals with, not to mention having a grasp of Batman's tech). Still, a fairly solid pilot. Nowhere near Black Lightning's level, but its still very strong, and I'm looking forward to the next episode.
GRADE: B.
Season 1 - Episode 1 - "Pilot"
Kane/BW: Flashback training scene was trying to get a Batman Begins vibe.
Contrary to what the trailers implied, Kane is not resentful of Bruce Wayne, but cites him as the one person she could rely on in her early years.
So, her father sent her away not because of her sexuality (which is what some were thinking who were aware of certain story elements pre-premiere), but she reminded him of his deceased wife and other daughter.
Jacob Kane: So far, he's competent and not unfeeling about his relationships. So far....
Luke Fox: Waiting for his character to not be the "Nervous Black Nerd" stereotype and move beyond that.
Sophie Moore: "I don't have the luxury of being offended by that"--important statement, meaning she's likely talking about a black woman needing the opportunities of the military and cannot make some stand like a white (gay) woman can--one who is also not suffering financially.
I hope her marriage is not going to be passed off as Moore "keeping up appearances" / shame, only for Moore to destroy her marriage to go back to Kane. If the series was brave, they would acknowledge that Moore's choice happens in real life.
Alice: Sadistic and manipulative--but at the right tone as not be cartoon villainess level. This still-living sister playing on Kane's suggested abandonment issues--with her ex as the preferred surrogate daughter should be an emotional undercurrent that is not easily resolved once Moore is rescued. I would like to see Kane and her father have their real bonding moment--and not because she takes up the Bat-mantle.
Chuck Dodgson: Predictable that he would be the traitor among Jacob Kane's ranks.
NOTES: A bit rushed, as Kane is no way ready to do what a well-seasoned, costumed crimefighter can (used to the high-flying, brutal life Batman typically deals with, not to mention having a grasp of Batman's tech). Still, a fairly solid pilot. Nowhere near Black Lightning's level, but its still very strong, and I'm looking forward to the next episode.
GRADE: B.
There's no reason that anyone living in Gotham would have for mentioning Green Arrow or The Flash.
Kate won't meet Kara and her "superfriends" for several months in-universe, and Jacob Kane and those people directly associated with him are very anti-vigilante.
I'm encouraged and will tune in next week.
I thought it was brilliant. Easily the best Arrowverse pilot since Arrow itself. Outside of the Talosian episode of Disco last year, I haven't been that engrossed in an episode of TV in quite a while. Admittedly, I don't watch much TV these days. Still, the direction was good for a first run. The pacing was snappy. And the characters were all likeable, including Alice.
I would say if there was one weakness, I thought the acting could have been a little better overall. But I'm going to chalk that up to pilot syndrome.
I would say if there was one weakness, I thought the acting could have been a little better overall. But I'm going to chalk that up to pilot syndrome.
I would have liked a two-hour premiere, if only to get Kate in her full outfit sooner, but I can be patient . . .
And, yes, I'm glad they didn't drag out the big reveal about Alice. Probably a shrewd move given that it was "spoiled" by the original comics years ago.
And, yes, I'm glad they didn't drag out the big reveal about Alice. Probably a shrewd move given that it was "spoiled" by the original comics years ago.
..and to give her a believable range of time to learn how to use Batman's devices.
I'm betting much of the audience never read the comic. I often hear many DC-TV viewers claiming they only know the TV series, and have no experience reading comics.
Anyone think her Native American mentor looked like Fred Armisen? I saw Maddow in the credits and couldn't figure out where she was until I realized it was the voiceover. She sounded a bit different to me from her delivery on her eponymous show.
That was really good. I think that the introduction of Batwoman and the larger Batman mythos will be just the breath of fresh air that the Arrowverse needs. Interesting that the Joker is officially inducted into the arrowverse canon the same week that the Joker movie hits the theaters.
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I liked it. A little stiff and awkward in places, and a few lines felt weirdly out of place, some of the stunt work could have been shot better, but that's not unusual for a pilot episode and I think it has a lot of potential to be a very good show.
They were smart not to make any overt references to the other CWDCU shows. Aside from not burdening the show with a forced connection to some character we already know, the audience are mostly going to be familiar enough with the bat mythos for that to serve as a hook for anyone not sold on the concept just yet. I mean even in the comics, Gotham is practically a universe unto itself anyway.
They were smart not to make any overt references to the other CWDCU shows. Aside from not burdening the show with a forced connection to some character we already know, the audience are mostly going to be familiar enough with the bat mythos for that to serve as a hook for anyone not sold on the concept just yet. I mean even in the comics, Gotham is practically a universe unto itself anyway.
I just realized that the bit in Kate's backstory about the Joker rampaging in a yellow school bus was a nod to The Dark Knight. It also means that the Joker killed Batwoman's mother, which would be too on-the-nose except that the Joker probably won't appear on the show (though Alice seems to be a spiritual descendant, fittingly, as he effectively "created" her).
It's tricky to reconcile the prominence of Batman in headlines and in Gothamites' awareness with Elseworlds's premise that Batman was an urban legend whose reality was disputed.
It's tricky to reconcile the prominence of Batman in headlines and in Gothamites' awareness with Elseworlds's premise that Batman was an urban legend whose reality was disputed.