Unpopular Trek opinions game

[Tiberous Q Data]

Yes, that's one example of it, the Eugenics wars was hinted to be the "Big" WW3 that killed 90 million and was the one that changed everything, then TNG upped the ante by creating a separate WW3 that killed 600 million.

So they mashed those two major wars into its history canon, and lot of times they even forgot what they did! That Voyager, Future's End episode was set in the mid 90's and there was no mention whatsoever of an Eugenics war. They couldn't keep up with it.

That's not counting the catastrophes like Khan shooting up Starfleet head quarters, then later in the same movie crashing a huge ship into Starfleet command.



I have to admit I had little to no reaction about Vulcan and Romulus being destroyed, and I should have. Before that, the Xindi attack on earth seemed more like a gimmick than a shocker. The main ones that did have an effect was what they did to Cardassia and the Dominion war itself.

If the shock value is getting lower, the new shows and movies are going to do damage to themselves if they keep showing disaster porn. No one might really care.

I had more reaction to Vulcan even though at least it exists in the Prime timeline though maybe Romulus will be saved in Kelvin and it sort of balance out in a twisted way.

I figure I'm just more familiar with Vulcan and had to watch Spock stand there helpless as it happened.

 

[Tiberous Q Data]

The USA wasn't involved in the Eugenics Wars. That's why VOY's crew saw no evidence of it.



As far as we know, fraternization is allowed in Starfleet, provided everyone involved gives their consent.

This doesn't mean a relationship will actually work, though. Picard and Nella Darren couldn't, but it doesn't mean no one else can.

Since virtually every character would be in violation of fratenization restrictions including the likes of Data and hidebound Worf with nary a word of concern about breaking any rules over 50 years of material. Any limitations seem completely personal in origin and few of them totally hard and fast.

Even in 2019 it isn't always the thing it was once upon a time. My company doesn't expect anyone to even report a potential conflict of interest unless it is a direct supervisor scenario as far as I can tell.

 

[Tenacity]

It’s a philosophical sci-fi adventure show meant to explore a possible future.

it's a space fantasy show with zap guns, woman in revealing clothing, bullshit science and on rare occasions some meaningful social commentary (but not as often as it's reputation would have you believe).

The concentration camps for immigrants along the border.

the term "concentration camps" suggests gas chambers and ovens. what exists on the border are simply jails. if congress were to vote in additional funding the conditions would be better. but then congress would not be able to point to the conditions on the border for political advantage.

 

[The Old Mixer]

the term "concentration camps" suggests gas chambers and ovens. what exists on the border are simply jails. if congress were to vote in additional funding the conditions would be better. but then congress would not be able to point to the conditions on the border for political advantage.

Take it to PM, Misc, or TNZ. This is not the place.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

it's a space fantasy show with zap guns, woman in revealing clothing, bullshit science and on rare occasions some meaningful social commentary (but not as often as it's reputation would have you believe).

It’s both. If you’re comparing it to most “space fantasy shows with zap guns” and you’re not comparing it to high literature and hard sci-fi, it’s very cerebral and rarely black and white in terms of morality.

Yes, they are concentration camps. They are not death camps. All death camps are concentration camps but not all concentration camps are death camps.

If they were jails, as you say, all the detainees would have official charges against them and access to lawyers.

 

[MAGolding]

It’s both. If you’re comparing it to most “space fantasy shows with zap guns” and you’re not comparing it to high literature and hard sci-fi, it’s very cerebral and rarely black and white in terms of morality.

Yes, they are concentration camps. They are not death camps. All death camps are concentration camps but not all concentration camps are death camps.

If they were jails, as you say, all the detainees would have official charges against them and access to lawyers.

The phrase "concentration camp" implies a camp where people from a wide area are gathered together in a smaller area and thus their population is concentrated within the camp.

Theoretically a summer camp where children from a wide area arrive to spend the summer can be described as a concentration camp.

I once read the phrase "concentration camp" used to describe a camp where United States Volunteers assembled to form companies and regiments and be mustered into service during the US Civil War, by a veteran describing his experiences during the war.

The phrase "concentration camp" gained a sinister implication when those lying Nazis described their extermination camps as "concentration camps" to disguise their true purpose, but that true purpose was eventually discovered. So today no institution will ever describe any camps it may operate as "concentration camps" any more than an institution in western society would adopt a swastika as its new emblem.

 

[The Old Mixer]

It’s both. If you’re comparing it to most “space fantasy shows with zap guns” and you’re not comparing it to high literature and hard sci-fi, it’s very cerebral and rarely black and white in terms of morality.

Yes, they are concentration camps. They are not death camps. All death camps are concentration camps but not all concentration camps are death camps.

If they were jails, as you say, all the detainees would have official charges against them and access to lawyers.

The phrase "concentration camp" implies a camp where people from a wide area are gathered together in a smaller area and thus their population is concentrated within the camp.

Theoretically a summer camp where children from a wide area arrive to spend the summer can be described as a concentration camp.

I once read the phrase "concentration camp" used to describe a camp where United States Volunteers assembled to form companies and regiments and be mustered into service during the US Civil War, by a veteran describing his experiences during the war.

The phrase "concentration camp" gained a sinister implication when those lying Nazis described their extermination camps as "concentration camps" to disguise their true purpose, but that true purpose was eventually discovered. So today no institution will ever describe any camps it may operate as "concentration camps" any more than an institution in western society would adopt a swastika as its new emblem.

Did you guys not see my reply to @Tenacity ? How about the next person who posts the phrase "concentration camp" gets a Warning?

 

[Vger23]

So anyway...perhaps an unpopular Star Trek opinion would be welcome....

I think the visual effects in the TOS movies become less-and-less impressive (except for a few choice shots) as they progress.

 

[Tenacity]

^ In a lot of shots, the Enterprise in The Final Frontier looked like a card-board cut out.

 

[fireproof78]

I think the visual effects in the TOS movies become less-and-less impressive (except for a few choice shots) as they progress.

I mean, TMP was designed as a VFX spectacle and I don't any of the following films had near the budget so that's probably true.

However, I think that TUC has some of the best VFX in the TOS film series, especially the zero-g and final battle.

 

[FormerLurker]

^ In a lot of shots, the Enterprise in The Final Frontier looked like a card-board cut out.

That's because in a lot of shots it was.

 

[Tenacity]

On the other hand the SFX in TWOK were pretty good.

 

[Lord Garth]

I think the visual effects in the TOS movies become less-and-less impressive (except for a few choice shots) as they progress.

I only agree up to a point. The films directed by Leonard Nimoy are unfortunately the ones that suffer here.

 

[Vger23]

I only agree up to a point. The films directed by Leonard Nimoy are unfortunately the ones that suffer here.

Really? See, I thought that TSFS looked pretty slick.

 

[Vger23]

I mean, TMP was designed as a VFX spectacle and I don't any of the following films had near the budget so that's probably true.

However, I think that TUC has some of the best VFX in the TOS film series, especially the zero-g and final battle.

Good point, and the shot of the Enterprise leaving Earth orbit with Spacedock in the background is gorgeous.

 

[FormerLurker]

One of the main things that frustrates me about how bad the TFF effects are in general is the fact that TFF got the size difference between the BOP and the Enterprise correct, while SFS had the BOP way too big in comparison to the Big E.

 

[redr0bin]

One hundred percent agreed. Continuity is important, but the fannish obsession with "canon," bordering on religious fundamentalism has become a pox on the franchise.

Yup, hell, I'd argue that some fans have such slavish devotion to one-off lines and Roddenberry quotes that if they had their way Star Trek would be the most boring franchise in the world. The "no money" thing in particular gets me.

 

[Discofan]

I hate it when they maintain continuity on stupid things that make absolutely no ergonomic sense whatsoever but they keep them because they remind people of TOS. I think it's ok to change the design of the equipment to adapt to the changes in real life.

 

[Yes Man the Great]

I always thought the reboot film were simply just overrated to be honest.

 

[Vger23]

Seemingly unpopular opinion:

Kira Nerys was one of the best Star Trek characters. I'd put her as the second-best non-human character in the whole franchise (obviously not better than Spock).