Lots of episodes suck. TOS season three would go up quite a bit if it didn't have "Spock's Brain" and "And the Children Shall Lead" in its lineup.
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Lots of episodes suck. TOS season three would go up quite a bit if it didn't have "Spock's Brain" and "And the Children Shall Lead" in its lineup.
Agreed. There are a lot of episodes that I can tolerate. TATV is not one of them. It's TNG fan fiction written inside of ENT, and does what DSC critics are constantly complaining about-needlessly inserts information in to a time period of Trek we already know about, in this instance "The Pegasus."
Also "Demons/Terra Prime" is far better.
It's such a lazy episode too. I mean after ten years, you'd think the people would have changed a little physically as well as in rank and position. I mean we're supposed to believe that people did not change at all during all that time!!! Trip was the closest to the "explosion" or whatever. He should have been the most affected by it and yet he's the only one who survives!!! Phlox can find a cure for anything in no time except when it's plot convenient for him not to.
Season 4 is great fun, action packed, and full of heroics, adventure, and great pacing.. It is the most serialized Star Trek ever got prior to DSC. And it
has an average of 417 TOS references per episode(if you're in to that sort of thing).
It's also really, really dumbed down, banal, overdramatized , and to use a modern phrase, "for the fans."
Dumbed down and banal compared to what, I’m curious. Granted, it’s all fun no brain and in some cases reference after reference.
But it’s no dumber than all but the BEST Trek has ever gotten. I’ll take ENT season 4 over the numerous episodes of Trek that are trying to be cerebral but are really just safe and reductionist.
Star Trek is highly static in its characterization for the most part. That part was actually more understandable to me, than the whole Riker plotline.
Compared to the earlier seasons. The show doesn't have to be cerebral(or attempt to be cerebral) to practice a little subtlety. Season 4 is frequently more "on the nose" than earlier seasons, which are in and of themselves more on the nose than earlier series.
This really became prominent in the later episodes of season 3. People are always yelling, talking through gritted teeth, back-bitey, and hostile, including Vulcans! Including orthodox 'we follow the pure path of Surak' Vulcans, with constant emotional outbursts, hatred, rage. T'Pol herself is an emotional wreck by season 4, but at least she has an excuse.
Season 4 essentially turned the volume up and added subwoofers to all(well, a lot of) the character interactions. It's not about being cerebral or not. Enterprise isn't a cerebral show, but it had a charm and organic feel in the early seasons that are lost in season 4.
My favorite story of this season is the "Babel One" arc.
I have to disagree with you about Ent seasons 1 and 2. Half of them were light carbon copies if TNG/Voy episodes. And the kind of subtlety they practiced is “Mind melds are gay sex!”
I really don't think that's what they were going for, but subtlety is a lot more than the premise of an episode. I've been talking mostly about how the characters interact with each other. Subtlety is smart dialogue, and nonverbal dialogue. I praised s4 for what it was, and what I liked about it, but compared to the early seasons, it's a dumbed down action movie full of references(and whole arcs) to a show that takes place a century later. It's just a more sophisticated show earlier on.
Anyone can pull up some reference and say "but see? There!" but I'm speaking generally about s1, 2, and part of 3.
Anyone can pull up some reference and say "but see? There!" but I'm speaking generally about s1, 2, and part of 3.
Speaking of "unpopular opinions..." I believe TOS Season 3 is already pretty high up, even despite those weaker installments. It may have been a weaker season than 1 and 2 of TOS, but it's still (easily) in the top 25% of all Trek franchise seasons, in my mind.
Not a bad relative position.
Similarly:
I believe TNG Season 1 is actually mostly good, it just has some stinkers. I also believe that it set up relationships that would have been interesting to explore (Picard/Wesley/Crusher and Troi/Riker) that they dumped because they wanted to be purely episodic and the show suffered for that.
I believe TNG Season 1 is actually mostly good, it just has some stinkers. I also believe that it set up relationships that would have been interesting to explore (Picard/Wesley/Crusher and Troi/Riker) that they dumped because they wanted to be purely episodic and the show suffered for that.
Season one of TNG is still my favorite post-TOS Trek season.
Holy crap. I swear I tried to re-watch it three times since 2011 and never made it through each time.
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Same here. Can't handle first season. Picard is just insufferable.
Pretty much everything about the first season is insufferable. Some of the stories are just downright offensive.
How do I take an unpopular opinion of mine and make it Star Trek-y?
I like Pumpkin Spice -- and I hope it's still around in the 23rd Century!
I like Pumpkin Spice -- and I hope it's still around in the 23rd Century!
I just didn’t see any subtlety in those seasons. To me everything in the early Ent seasons felt super on the nose. Having “Decon” as a transparent excuse to show T’Pol relaxing with fewer clothes.
I know you said “Anyone can find examples”, but cases like how they teach colonists to fight Klingons by training them to duck backwards twice then roll away are not the exception. The story widgets were always exactly that simplistic and they were always on the border of being insulting to the audience.
I know you said “Anyone can find examples”, but cases like how they teach colonists to fight Klingons by training them to duck backwards twice then roll away are not the exception. The story widgets were always exactly that simplistic and they were always on the border of being insulting to the audience.
Yes, but Picard is egregiously so for me. As in, I cannot stay engage with the story or other characters because of it. Him shooting himself is just ugh.
I have occasionally toyed with the idea of watching "The Pegasus," and then pausing it at the point before Riker spills the beans to Picard, and watching TATV all the way through, and then continuing with "The Pegasus" to see how it all fits together. But I just can't get myself to watch TATV again.
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