Drop the S31 show for a Captain Pike show?
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Who is arguing this? The only argument is that TNG is not the only way to tell a Star Trek story and that Orville and DSC and Picard and all the rest can coexist as storytelling.
Georgiou is always the cannibal nazi in these discussions.
It's familiar comfort food for 90's Trekkies. It's the Family Guy manatees, but instead of random jokes it's random A and B plots of Next Gen and Voyager episodes they mash up to create The Orville.
IDK for me the Orville is like Stargate Atlantis, while STD is like Stargate Universe. One's light and bright, the other dark and brooding.It's familiar comfort food for 90's Trekkies. It's the Family Guy manatees, but instead of random jokes it's random A and B plots of Next Gen and Voyager episodes they mash up to create The Orville.
I hated Stargate: Universe. Not because it was dark. But because it was so, so fucking stupid. In fact - of the two - Atlantis was the much more "grown-up" show. But SGU had boobs, butts, swearing, and characters constantly backstabbing each other, whereas on Atlantis they wore colour-coded uniforms, so of course SGU gets to be the "adult" show of the two...
I would call SG: U many things but adult isn't one.
I prefer the term "spiritual successor."
Is it in the spirit of Star Trek to see just how much you can get away with before copyright kicks in, or maybe, I don’t know, to boldly go where no one has gone before, to have the audience experience more of that infinite diversity in infinite combinations?
When did Gorgeou eat a fellow human being? A cannibal is someone that literally eats their own species.
You missed the whole discussion earlier on (in this thread, I think) where cannibal was extended in its Star Trek definition to include sapient life.
Of course, that's still up for debate.
Funny, we never freaked out about Klingons,who eat the hearts of the enemies (including other Klingons').
Well, this is Discovery! Everything demands a "freak out" especially since we never had a heart eating Klingon as a main character...and Dax doesn't count because...reasons.
Look, I never said it made sense.
Uhhh....ok I'll have to go back and look...but that makes no sense at all. Sentience has nothing to do with cannibalism.
I'm asking the questions here starfleettanner!
Just like star trek was ."in the spirit" of Forbidden Planet?
It isn’t; the tone is totally different. Forbidden Planet has many of the early SF film tropes Star Trek wanted to get away from, from space music to funny robots to the usual saucer-spaceship, even though the basic story is one that could have easily been adapted for the show. The Orville isn’t trying to break new ground, merely give a segment of ST fandom the kind of show they miss. Would Trek websites cover a Forbidden Planet reboot? I don’t think so, and neither have they covered the Lost in Space reboot despite a number of familiar, exploratory elements. However, they do cover The Orville because the Star Trek DNA is unmistakable, even though the show has managed not to run into trouble thus far.
Is a lot of sarcasm going unnoticed?
Star Trek aliens live, feel and behave exactly like humans. In fact, they even mate with humans, and produce fertile offspring. By all circumstances, most Star Trek aliens differ not much more than humans from each other.
As such, a human eating a Vulcan, or a Kelpian for that matter, is very much exactly on the same level as a white person eating a black person: It's cannibalism.
If you don't like the word "cannibalism" in this context - feel free to come up with a better word that describes the act of one humanoid sentient being eating another humanoid sentient being. I'm waiting.
Actually, we never saw any of our heroes do that, right? Those have been stories, about a glorious past. I can't remember Martok ever happily munching on a Jem'Hadar.
But most importantly: It's a difference of eating already slayen enemies - and KILLING SOLELY FOR THE PURPOSE of eating someone!
Note how "Klingons eating (prime) Georgiou" never was that big a deal either. Yes, people thought it was disgusting. But she was already dead, and the Klingons were starving. It's still weird to put something like that in a family show. But it's not as evil as having your "redeemed token evil teammate" be a person that smilingly chose a humanoid being for the purpose of eating it's ganglia. And I really hate that I have to point that out on a Trek forum.
The whole "eat the heart of my enemy" is figurative anyway, like "I will bathe in their blood" or "she tore out my heart and stomped on it"
Based upon what, exactly?
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