This thread is genetically enhanced... Like Julian

[kkt]

Or Bashir is right, and his parents should've given him a chance

Edit: mirror Bashir probably wasn't genetically engineered and he turned out mostly okay. Sort of

Oh, yes. That explains why mirror Bashir's big contribution to the rebellion is a powerful right hook and willingness to go on suicide missions.

 

[Prax]

Mirror Bashir is no sluff. He's a captain, after all.

 

[Voth commando1]

I think it depends, was Bashir just a slow learner, or did he have actual mental handicaps before the enhancements?

If it was the former, then yeah it was about his parent's ego and pride(specifically his dad), if the latter then what they did is worth considering.

At least as a moral question, they still would have broken the law.

Though in the latter case, I can't really condemn them.

 

[Mrs. Silvercrest]

I recently watched "Doctor Bashir, I Presume," and was thinking, would any of Bashir's accolades and awards be taken away or called into question? There seems to be such a stigma attached to genetic engineering. He probably has many academic and medical awards. He probably holds some athletic records. Would there be people who would want to go back and dispute them? What about the runner ups in such cases that worked really hard and lost out to Julian for what comes easy to him?

Also, what about any future achievements? Would he be disqualified? Would his achievements be prone to getting ignored by organizations provide recognition for such things?

Thinking about the lengths parents have gone to give their children every possible advantage( sometimes quite underhandedly) in athletics, it seems like the type of genetic engineering Bashir was able to receive and how easily he got away with it, would be a huge problem on Earth.

Thoughts?

I just watched that one not to long ago as well. I think Bashir all the time held himself back like not being number 1 in his graduating class, he got one wrong on purpose so he was 2nd in his class. He also lost at darts a lot to O'Brian, and he did other things. He was not proud of what his folks did. And later as he tried to help others like him, could see more of the conflict within him. If he could have undone what his folks did, I think he would have. I think because it was not his fault he was a child, his dad went to jail and was to blame for it. Both his folks were. And I think the Federation was fair and saw what an asset he was as a doctor. But I think he won't be put up for the big awards anymore, that would not be fair.

 

[at Quark's]

I think it depends, was Bashir just a slow learner, or did he have actual mental handicaps before the enhancements?

If it was the former, then yeah it was about his parent's ego and pride(specifically his dad), if the latter then what they did is worth considering.

I was six. Small for my age, a bit awkward physically, not very bright. In the first grade, while the other children were learning how to read and write and use the computer, I was still trying to tell a dog from a cat, a tree from a house. I didn't really understand what was happening. I knew that I wasn't doing as well as my classmates. There were so many concepts that they took for granted that I couldn't begin to master and I didn't know why. All I knew was that I was a great disappointment to my parents.

To me it sounds like he wasn't just a slow learner, but that he had a serious disability. Then again, I'm no expert in the field by any means.

 

[Nyotarules]

I think it depends, was Bashir just a slow learner, or did he have actual mental handicaps before the enhancements?

If it was the former, then yeah it was about his parent's ego and pride(specifically his dad), if the latter then what they did is worth considering.

At least as a moral question, they still would have broken the law.

Though in the latter case, I can't really condemn them.

Sometimes the law is not moral, its an ass

Apparently not many. O'Brien says "There probably hasn't been a case dealing with this in a hundred years."

Also, the sentence was very light. Julian wasn't punished at all, the person responsible was. And Julian's mother was left alone as well. Julian's dad only got 2 years in a walled resort, where he'll have to wear an anklet, and build garden sheds.

I assume the blanket ban exists for the great potential of abuse that exists. By outlawing the practice except for necessities, the government has the legal power to go after those that would abuse the science. The potential for abuse also exists within the individual who has been modified. It would give them great power over others, and a potentially corrupting existence.

If it was totally legal, everyone would eventually have to be genetically enhanced to compete. A new race of human would replace the natural one. There's no predicting what this society would turn into.

It was a silly ban based on human augmentation, Denobulans had no problems. The ban was another in universe example of the UFP revolving around human culture. For every good human there's a Harry Mudd causing damage, so sterilize all humans... makes sense right?
It was a stupid concept based in 1960s hangups in science

 

[Prax]

There was no genetic augments in 1960's Star Trek. Khan was a product of Eugenics.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

I think it depends, was Bashir just a slow learner, or did he have actual mental handicaps before the enhancements?

If he hadn't mastered trigonometry by kindergarten, than he was a slow learner for the era.

 

[Nyotarules]

There was no genetic augments in 1960's Star Trek. Khan was a product of Eugenics.

However the universe genetic ban reflected the subconscious, cultural prejudice of the writers and the rest of the franchise ran with it in ENT, DS9 and the novels.