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Worf in "Picard"
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If it is not new enough for you, go watch something else. 'Why are these Picard's old friends on this show about Picard?' is an inane complaint. This show is mainly aimed for people who liked TNG and love Picard.
Wow, dude. I express a desire and get slapped down for the trouble. I'm intrigued by Picard where he is at now, but I don't need the entire TNG crew showing up. I want to see what occurred with Romulus, and this mystery girl and the like. If that can organically include some of the TNG crew great.
However, from my point of view that's not what people are asking for.
I actually really liked the Season 2 Discovery Klingons, I thought they did a good job of toning down the makeup to look more like they used to, but with enough Season 1 elements that they were still recognizable as those Klingons.I have a feeling they will update his makeup -- just like they updated Kor, Koloth, and Kang for DS9 "Blood Oath".
The general look between TNG-era Klingons and Discovery Season 2 Klingons is not so different that they couldn't update Worf and have him still look like Worf. The makeup change would be far less than the change made to Kor, Koloth, and Kang in DS9 versus their TOS look.
Here is Worf (from First Contact, I think) compared to Discovery Season 2 L'Rell:
It is, however, what was proposed as the premise of the show: “NOT the Picard you remember”. That premise was intriguing. It was my hope that, for the first season at least (given what Stewart and the producers were saying), TNG references, let alone guest appearances, would be at a minimum. Clearly that’s not what’s going to happen.
Fine for those who want it but less interesting to me because of it.
That's a fine way of putting it. I feel a similar way and feel like they are walking back on what the proposed premise was stated to be.
I don't think they're walking back on the proposed premise at all, but it would be silly for the show to ignore some TNG references and characters given how closely the show follows TNG. News of some TNG cast members returning is definitely...well, newsworthy, and certainly raises a lot of talk among fans, but I doubt this show will be "TNG Continues." The majority of the episodes aren't likely going to feature any TNG characters.
It's 20 years later -- Picard is retired and traumatized by something. He is not the Picard we remember. Riker and Troi are out of Starfleet and doing something else. They are not the characters we remember. 7 is much more human than she used to be and has probably struggled to integrate with society for decades. She is not the character we remember. If Data is a hologram, then yes, he is the character we remember, but for a reason.
There's nothing to suggest the TNG guest stars are not minor appearances. Frakes has said Riker and Troi are in a couple episodes only. Data in a few more, but we don't know what capacity. 7 is central to the plot, but she's not TNG. So clearly, we don't know what to expect at this point.
That is my hope. I posted in another thread but I'll reiterate. If it makes sense to the story then I think it can work. However, randomly dropping them in because "TNG" is problematic to my view. It creates a very small universe syndrome, especially 20 years post TNG events.
They've said they'll only bring back old characters if it makes sense for the story.
Deanna and Riker make sense, they're 2 of Picard's closest friends. Seven is a bit of a stretch, but I imagine her involvement is related to the Borg.
Hugh is the one that feels most like a cameo. Out of all the Borg cubes the Romulans could have found, Hugh just happened to be on that specific one.
Data.. I'm not sure. Picard didn't seem that distraught over losing him in Nemesis, but that could be chalked up to bad writing.
Deanna and Riker make sense, they're 2 of Picard's closest friends. Seven is a bit of a stretch, but I imagine her involvement is related to the Borg.
Hugh is the one that feels most like a cameo. Out of all the Borg cubes the Romulans could have found, Hugh just happened to be on that specific one.
Data.. I'm not sure. Picard didn't seem that distraught over losing him in Nemesis, but that could be chalked up to bad writing.
I'm thinking Season 1 is going to be the most closely tied to TNG, they're going to have to spend a fair amount of time establishing what's been going on since Nemesis. I've noticed with a lot of these kinds of spin offs and sequel shows, the first seasons tend to be the most closesly tied to the original show. They have establish it's relationship to original, and they also use those ties back to the original show as a way to draw it's viewers over. Once everything has been established and people have gotten to know the new characters, then they start to split off a bit more.
NCIS and NCIS: LA are a perfect example of this, for the first season or two characters from the original series were constantly appearing on NCSI: LA, but as time has gone on we've seen a lot less of them.
Is this confirmed or just a guess on your part?
And I truly hope they follow through on that statement. But, I'm not holding my breath either.
Cautiously optimistic, I think that would describe it best.
Don't you think you're jumping the gun a little. Maybe actually wait to see the show. So far, we have a couple of confirmed cameos. That's it.
Clearly, everything about the premise and story of the series as shown in the trailers is wildly different from a "TNG 2.0" kind of concept.
As with any new version of modern Trek, it gets exactly one episode to impress me. If that episode includes Worf, the Character Who Ate the Star Trek Franchise (and thank goodness they never shoehorned him into Voyager), I will not be impressed, and will not watch any further.
Wasn't the series finale good enough for TNG? It was a decent sendoff for the TNG characters. The movies were lamentably awful, and I can't see this as being anything worth my time (and I say this as a Seven of Nine fan).
Wasn't the series finale good enough for TNG? It was a decent sendoff for the TNG characters. The movies were lamentably awful, and I can't see this as being anything worth my time (and I say this as a Seven of Nine fan).
I haven’t said I won’t watch it. I’m merely less enticed by it every time a new TNG-era character appearance is announced.
I think he'll look close to Nemesis Worf. Maaaaaybe with a few hints of Disco Klingons, like the fingers/nails or some neck ribbing.
The thing is, I'm not sure Michael Dorn resembles Worf enough anymore. Even though his muscles were always in the suit (hence Sleeveless Worf only ever happening in comics), he's skinny as a rake now. Here he was in Ted 2:
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It's why he should wear thick Klingon robes.
And if they follow through on this premise, that's awesome! But, what I'm reading is the constant desire to insert all of the TNG crew in some way, shape, matter or form. Yes, I understand that these people are an important part of Picard's past. That doesn't mean everyone needs to show up, in my view.
And, just like people are allowed to express their reservations with Discovery (as they did from the beginning) individuals are allowed to express their reservations regarding Picard. IDIC, expectations and YMMV and all that jazz.
All of the confirmed cameos make perfect sense with the kind of story they've teased so far.
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