I suppose that is possible.
An interesting topic since it's relevant to Flash, and there is no new Flash for several months.
Sounds like a story as well.
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I suppose that is possible.
An interesting topic since it's relevant to Flash, and there is no new Flash for several months.
Sounds like a story as well.
I'll leave the personal story to one side - like I said, you wouldn't believe it anyway, and I'm pretty sure *I* wouldn't if my family and I weren't living it.
But on topic, I'm wondering if Thawne, having the affection that he has claimed to have for Nora, and Cisco, and even Barry, decided to go take Barry's place in what kills him in the Crisis - since if it is anything like what killed Barry in the original CoIE, it requires a speedster. He specifically used the word "Crisis" in the last bit of what he said to Barry, and you could almost hear the capital letter. Maybe he intends to make sure Barry is around to make Baby Nora at the appointed time - though, like we both know, and you pointed out in the thread, the odds that *should* be against that working out now would still be insane. (But the multiverse finds a way, sometimes, anyway.
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But on topic, I'm wondering if Thawne, having the affection that he has claimed to have for Nora, and Cisco, and even Barry, decided to go take Barry's place in what kills him in the Crisis - since if it is anything like what killed Barry in the original CoIE, it requires a speedster. He specifically used the word "Crisis" in the last bit of what he said to Barry, and you could almost hear the capital letter. Maybe he intends to make sure Barry is around to make Baby Nora at the appointed time - though, like we both know, and you pointed out in the thread, the odds that *should* be against that working out now would still be insane. (But the multiverse finds a way, sometimes, anyway.
)We actually don't know if Barry DIES in this version. We only know he disappears. We also know that Oliver dies. I believe that as we watch the events unfold, Barry's disappearance will be much shorter. It will get the headline, but he will be found.
Also, it's clear that Barry in original COIE, as we found out later, only merged with the speed force. He didn't die.
Thawne may have liked Nora, but he also liked Cisco and didn't hesitate to kill him.
I actually do believe Nora erased herself, and Thawne didn't do it. Thawne did try to save her after all.
Also, it's clear that Barry in original COIE, as we found out later, only merged with the speed force. He didn't die.
Thawne may have liked Nora, but he also liked Cisco and didn't hesitate to kill him.
I actually do believe Nora erased herself, and Thawne didn't do it. Thawne did try to save her after all.
Maybe you're fake...?
I finally got around to watching the finale.....
Wow, these writers don't understand time travel or causality at ALL.....
Wow, these writers don't understand time travel or causality at ALL.....
Most time-travel fiction invents its own fantasy rules for how time-travel causality works; there has never been any universal set of rules to "understand." After all, realistic temporal physics doesn't allow for a timeline to be "rewritten" at all, because that's a logical and mathematical contradiction and a physical impossibility; the only physically valid time-travel models are the Final Countdown/12 Monkeys approach where history is fixed and any time travel is already part of what originally happened, or the Avengers: Endgame model where time travel creates an alternate timeline and leaves the original history untouched. Any other fictional time travel model is a fantasy that exists merely to serve the particular narrative being told, and thus is under no obligation to agree with other fictional, fantasy versions of temporal causality.
It is true, though, that a work of fantasy should at least be consistent with its own imaginary rules rather than arbitrarily changing them at a whim. But The Flash and Legends of Tomorrow have been presenting the Arrowverse's time-travel rules inconsistently for years now, reinventing them constantly to fit whatever story is currently being told, so there's nothing new about that. At least they're consistently inconsistent.
In fairness, since time travel to the past is believed to be impossible, science cannot figure out what would actually happen. Any rules that a movie or tv show can come up with would be valid, as long as they are consistent.
Regarding the shows this season, I'm really only interested in the COIE right now. Do we really need another season long villain that isn't all that great? COIE has so many possibilities.
Regarding the shows this season, I'm really only interested in the COIE right now. Do we really need another season long villain that isn't all that great? COIE has so many possibilities.
Pretty much every SFF action series going back to at least Buffy the Vampire Slayer has had a new season long villain every year, so it's more or less a standard part of these kind of shows. If you don't like it, you might just want to step away from the genre as a whole.
Their lack of consistency and any time of internal logic to ANY of their time travel shenanigans made the whole season seem absolutely nonsensical. Nothing made any sense by the last few episodes. I liked the (half ass) explanation of how Thawne keeps his memories of previous timelines and iterations to always stay one step ahead, but this took every problem with causality from Season 1 and from Savitar and cranked up the timey whimeyness to 1000. If nothing made sense before, its even more of a mess now.
Did Cisco get replaced by an alternate? Because I can't picture the Cisco they characterized in early seasons ever even DREAMING of taking a mutant err meta cure.
With a new "timeline" "setting in" does this mean when Iris and Barry finally have kids, will they be shocked to find twins that don't look like Nora at all?
Did Cisco get replaced by an alternate? Because I can't picture the Cisco they characterized in early seasons ever even DREAMING of taking a mutant err meta cure.
With a new "timeline" "setting in" does this mean when Iris and Barry finally have kids, will they be shocked to find twins that don't look like Nora at all?
So just like comic books, then.
They're changing it up this season:
https://tvline.com/2019/07/20/the-flash-season-6-spoilers-comic-con
I don't mind the season long villain/arc.
I mind when it's handled poorly and there's clearly not enough story for a season long villain... ie, this past season with Mr. Knife Throwing Guy.... Ah, remembered the name, Cicada. How many times could the gang have easily gotten him but stood around looking at each other? I'm thinking of the time that Cisco put the knife in orbit--rather than a parallel dimension--and some how, a man who can travel so fast he travels in time, couldn't out race a knife some 20 miles in orbit. RAH-diclous.
I'm willing to give this new season a go because it's a new show runner, but, I basically have one foot out the door.
Arrow has changed it up too, with seasons 6 and 7 having different seemingly central villains come and go; for instance, Ricardo Diaz was a background presence until he was revealed in the back half of season 6 as the real mastermind, then continued into the first half or so of season 7.
Actor availability?
Cool, that should definitely help things move faster. I wonder if the second half of the season's big bad will be part of the aftermath of Crisis on Infinite Earths?
Yeah, the Cicada story was definitely not one of the better big bad arcs.
The biggest problem with all these shows continues to be the villains; Cicada just happens to be the low point.
And a lot of the problem begins with the acting, which is why Cicada felt like such a low point. They hired the world's worst actor to play him. I mean, look how much better it got after Carter - who could act circles around Klien in her sleep - took over. But by then, the damage had been done to a point beyond caring.
But Ramamurthy is a fantastic actor, so there is hope. His VO in the trailer is sinister AF.
Similarly, as I noted in the SG thread, I hope they finally let McGrath shine. They've pretty much kept her on the sidelines going through the motions for four seasons, and I've constantly felt it to be an epic waste of talent. With all respect due Duckie, I think last year would have been so much better if they had just left Lex out of it and gone full Lena. But I digress.
Also, Flash has always had an exposition problem. And this reached a peak last season to the point it was so bad that it could make the worst of the Berman era blush. And I think this had as much to do with weighing down the season plot as anything.
And I think the last problem is the actual structure of the season. The was a comparison to Buffy up-thread, but Whedon installed a very strict episode structure with specific episodes plotting the plot, as it were. Smallville followed this structure to a tee. As did the first two seasons of Arrow and the first season of Flash. But since then, that structure has been broken down more and more each year - which is a big reason why I think these season arcs have started to mesh together and ultimately become forgettable.
And a lot of the problem begins with the acting, which is why Cicada felt like such a low point. They hired the world's worst actor to play him. I mean, look how much better it got after Carter - who could act circles around Klien in her sleep - took over. But by then, the damage had been done to a point beyond caring.
But Ramamurthy is a fantastic actor, so there is hope. His VO in the trailer is sinister AF.
Similarly, as I noted in the SG thread, I hope they finally let McGrath shine. They've pretty much kept her on the sidelines going through the motions for four seasons, and I've constantly felt it to be an epic waste of talent. With all respect due Duckie, I think last year would have been so much better if they had just left Lex out of it and gone full Lena. But I digress.
Also, Flash has always had an exposition problem. And this reached a peak last season to the point it was so bad that it could make the worst of the Berman era blush. And I think this had as much to do with weighing down the season plot as anything.
And I think the last problem is the actual structure of the season. The was a comparison to Buffy up-thread, but Whedon installed a very strict episode structure with specific episodes plotting the plot, as it were. Smallville followed this structure to a tee. As did the first two seasons of Arrow and the first season of Flash. But since then, that structure has been broken down more and more each year - which is a big reason why I think these season arcs have started to mesh together and ultimately become forgettable.
He's a fair actor, with a sexy accent.
