Spidey OUT of MCU

[Professor Zoom]

Sony did fuck up Spider-Man 3, although some of that blame can be directed at Avi Arad who is obsessed with Venom for reasons that were never clear to me.

SM3 made 890 million dollars in 2007. Shazam would love to have been fucked so badly. Almost all of the DC films would love to have been fucked like that.

Edited to add: 12 years later, adjusted for inflation, SM3 is a billion dollar movie.

It made enough they planned to make 2 more, until creative differences and a opening date Raimi didn’t think he could make caused him to walk. That’s when they decided to reboot.

 

[Awesome Possum]

SM3 made 890 million dollars in 2007. Shazam would love to have been fucked so badly. Almost all of the DC films would love to have been fucked like that.

Edited to add: 12 years later, adjusted for inflation, SM3 is a billion dollar movie.

It made enough they planned to make 2 more, until creative differences and a opening date Raimi didn’t think he could make caused him to walk. That’s when they decided to reboot.

It just wasn’t Raimi’s best and you could tell his heart wasn’t fully into it, except for with Sandman.

 

[Professor Zoom]

It just wasn’t Raimi’s best and you could tell his heart wasn’t fully into it, except for with Sandman.

I agree. And I think he has said as much, it’s why he wanted to make the others.

I just wanted to push back on this idea that Sony was unsuccessful with Spider-Man. Critical successes or not ALL of the live action movies made by Sony made over 700 million dollars. All of the Raimi made over 800 million. Over 12 years ago.

A Sony produced Spider-man movie will be ok.

 

[N-121973]

There's nothing in what either Holland or Feige have said to give me hope that there'll be a new deal .
https://www.superherohype.com/movies/463659-tom-holland-and-kevin-feige-address-spider-mans-mcu-exit

 

[Mudd]

There's nothing in what either Holland or Feige have said to give me hope that there'll be a new deal .
https://www.superherohype.com/movies/463659-tom-holland-and-kevin-feige-address-spider-mans-mcu-exit

Okay. Well, that's fine.

There's no element of the MCU I was looking forward to seeing in the next Spider-Man. Their practice of sticking things in films as ads for other films is often a nuisance - my favorite of them, the first Captain America, was the poorer for the MCU stuff.

Spider-Verse suggested the depth and variety of good material that belongs to Spidey and Spidey alone.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

As long as they don’t outright contradict MCU stuff, to keep continuity possible for possibly later, it’s fine I guess.

 

[Booji]

You keep saying both of Sony’s incarnations were failures. And that’s just not true. Raimi’s movies were incredibly successful, the first two critically as well.

SM2 is considered a classic.

Transformers is also incredibly successful, but it's still gutter trash. We'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[Terok Nor]

I'll miss Spidey in the MCU movies but I really like Holland's version of the character and I'll still go to see his Spidey movies. It is a shame though.

 

[Relayer1]

There's nothing in what either Holland or Feige have said to give me hope that there'll be a new deal

That's how the game is played.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

^^^
Again what a load of crap

^ What a load of not knowing what you're talking about. The FF comic was at its strongest--their height in the 60s, but in a fate similar to many of Marvel's titles in the 70s--suffered from a massive sales drop, with the company on its way to bankruptcy in the late 70s if not for--according to Shooter--Roy Thomas's acquisition of Star Wars for adaptation. No one even remotely aware of the history of that title would argue that the 60s was the most defining era for the title. Unlike any other comic, it was best suited to exist in that period and its all the reason anyone needs for why every live action adaptation--all set in their contemporary periods oozed on a uniquely Cold War premise--failed miserably. You might as well stick George Washington in a modern day political series and expect him to have the effect he's best known for.

Not working.

 

[Anwar]

Spider-Verse suggested the depth and variety of good material that belongs to Spidey and Spidey alone.

You realize that a lot of Into the Spider-Verse was basically MCU stuff but they used alternate Spider-Characters instead of MCU characters?

 

[EnderAKH]

Personally? My favorite run is the Waid/Wieringo run in the early 2000s, not the 60s stuff.

 

[Spot261]

Access to Spider-Man, who is by far the biggest and most popular character in the Marvel stable.

I'm not sure he is any more, pre MCU Marvel was to the general public Spidey, the Hulk and X Men (and most wouldn't have even realised that they weren't from a separate stable to Superman and Batman) but now characters that most people would have merely heard of have become the most famous fictional characters on the planet. Cap, Thor, Iron Man, are now huge commercial hitters but only twenty years ago were only front cover material for the likes of us.

They've taken on that mantle of iconic superheroes and are selling ion a level which outstrips James Bond, Harry Potter, Star Wars, you name it.

The MCU is simply the biggest movie franchise on the planet and got that way without Spiderman, whereas although he remais a hot property he's a hot property the public recognise as being part of a greater whole. I really do see Sony coming back to the table as they are outsold, out financed, out marketed and sidelined with the lesser portion of the whole.

 

[DigificWriter]

Without Feige, Sony can do something that fans have been wanting, which is to team up Tom Holland's Spidey with Tom Hardy's Venom.

They can also cross the character over with their other planned spinoffs as well, while also continuing from where Far From Home left off with Peter's secret identity having been exposed.

Sony doesn't need Feige, Marvel Studios, and the MCU to keep Spider-Man viable as a property, even if they never have another billion-dollar film featuring the character.

 

[Mudd]

Transformers is also incredibly successful, but it's still gutter trash.

Also true of much of the MCU.

 

[Professor Zoom]

Transformers is also incredibly successful, but it's still gutter trash. We'll have to agree to disagree.

No, we agree that Transformers is trash. But also incredibly successful trash, until late.

I don’t care that you don’t like the Sony Spider-Man movies, but they were hardly disasters full stop. Creatively, that’s up to the eye of the beholder, but from a box office point of view they were very successful, especially Raimi’s.

 

[DigificWriter]

I don’t care that you don’t like the Sony Spider-Man movies, but they were hardly disasters full stop. Creatively, that’s up to the eye of the beholder, but from a box office point of view they were very successful, especially Raimi’s.

QFT.

The Sony/Marvel Studios licensing partnership only came about because of a panicked overreaction to TASM2 being an "underwhelming success" exacerbated by the information leak that occurred shortly after the film's release.

It wasn't actually needed in order to "save the Spider-Man brand" , but it did give it a direction that capitalized on fan clamor for shared universes and helped Sony recover from the bad PR and hit to their reputation in general that the information leak created.

 

[Mage]

Also true of much of the MCU.

In your opinion. Important words people sometimes forget.

 

[Mage]

Sony did fuck up Spider-Man 3, although some of that blame can be directed at Avi Arad who is obsessed with Venom for reasons that were never clear to me.

Yeah, from what I understood Raimi never really wanted to use Venom, right?

 

[DigificWriter]

Yeah, from what I understood Raimi never really wanted to use Venom, right?

Yes.

Avi Arad basically bullied him into including Venom, which is why the film can be considered to be overstuffed and disjointed.

Despite that perception, however, it still registered as a success for Sony and initially led to Raimi getting the greenlight to do a Spider-Man 4 before creative frustrations tanked that project and led to the TASM duology.