Really? I disagree strongly. It only makes sense to "get up to speed" on the discussion before jumping in; doesn't it?
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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar 2 - Electric Boogaloo-Fanboys gone WILD-too many hyphens
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Really? I disagree strongly. It only makes sense to "get up to speed" on the discussion before jumping in; doesn't it?
I would suggest that someone should make a chronological list of Axanar events going back to Day One when Mr. Peters first posted his plans to make a fan-film.
Post it in a new LOCKED / PINNED topic titled "The Real Facts of the AXANAR fan-film project and subsequent CBS lawsuit."
Perhaps no one was particularly interested in those subjects. How is that anyone's fault?
Personally, I'm not interested in the slightest in making a fan film. If I'm going to spend the time and money making a film--and I've said it before--I'm going to make something that I own completely, that I can do something with.
I'm in this particular thread because of my interest in copyright and IP.
Sounds like you have found a good solution!
That said, how many people in this forum are actively interested in making fan films? Many, it seems, enjoy watching them.
And you're free to start it.
501 c 3 status is for non-profits that have a mission, like education.
According to the IRS:
I think it's really pushing it to say a fan film falls into any of those category... MAYBE.... Yeah. Making films of something that you don't have any legal right to make doesn't fall into any of them. I think Continues is under "educational," maybe because it was educational for the cast and crew.... certainly not the viewer.
Personally, it's a lot of work, it's a lot of oversight for a fan film. It perhaps suited Continues because they basically turned it into an ongoing side business. But, now that CBS has the guidelines...
Before worrying about 501 c 3, why don't you make a film? See how it goes?
I get the complaints that this thread and its predecessor is a lot to plow through. That's what Axamonitor is for.
Anybody who can read those articles and still think anything positive about LFIM is clearly not going to be swayed.
They probably think we never landed on the moon, too.
@Matthew Raymond there is actually a thread that is stickyed at the top of the Fan Films forum called Fan Filmmaker's Primer started by Maurice. So yes there is discussion here about how to make fan films, it's just not active at all times. While I don't have a lot of the know how that Maurice has, I did find some of the information he has there helpful for some volunteer work I did.
I participate in this thread because I'm a frustrated Axanar donor. AP yes did release the financials, but they were doctored. I knew something was up when I saw that he took a salary, and had a line item for auto expenses. As to what Trek Continues could do to be improved, and 501c3 status, to my knowledge, Trek Continues isn't around anymore. They haven't realeased anything since To Boldly Go Part 2. Why speculate on what they can do to improve when they're not really doing anything? If you really want to talk about 501c3 and the relationship between that and fan films, then by all means make a separate threat and I'll be glad to participate. I don't really think it's needed in light of the guidelines that are now in place.
I participate in this thread because I'm a frustrated Axanar donor. AP yes did release the financials, but they were doctored. I knew something was up when I saw that he took a salary, and had a line item for auto expenses. As to what Trek Continues could do to be improved, and 501c3 status, to my knowledge, Trek Continues isn't around anymore. They haven't realeased anything since To Boldly Go Part 2. Why speculate on what they can do to improve when they're not really doing anything? If you really want to talk about 501c3 and the relationship between that and fan films, then by all means make a separate threat and I'll be glad to participate. I don't really think it's needed in light of the guidelines that are now in place.
I want to say Carlos even has a page on there dedicated to summaries of the events so far but I don't recall and can't check at the moment.
Yes he has a primer section and this handy dandy timeline http://axamonitor.com/doku.php?id=timeline
It was disappointing but not surprising for all the reasons endlessly mentioned (we're playing in their sandbox). Even though there was no commercial intent, they were still using Trek IP which CBS may have wanted for future VR trek games. Best rule is to stay below radar like @Donny
I kinda miss those heady early days of the lawsuit when you had amateur legal experts popping in here and saying stuff like "The court will rule against CBS and put Star Trek in the public domain!" and AP was ranting about how Axanar was a professional independent for-profit amateur nonprofit labor of love personally approved by the ghost of Gene Roddenberry.
Fun times.
Fun times.
#goodtimes
. . . and the earth is flat!!
Pretty much every reaction I've seen a post get on here has been completely justified.
This reminds me of something that happened in the Faith of the Heart thread. I was pointing out that links to Archer's Theme had already been posted three times, and I got this response:
I'm not sure there's really a consistent standard being applied here. At any rate, I think there are better ways of handling such ignorance, directing people to Jespah's pinned timeline and other abbreviated resources being one of them. Let's not make TLDR the Eighth Deadly Sin.
I'm pretty sure the dog-piling was their fault. Furthermore, my implication was that I was the only person trying to create threads like that, so if they wanted to talk about other fan-film-related topics instead of mine, they could have, but generally then didn't.
I'm actually of a similar mindset at this point. Why invest in something you can't license to make something you can't copyright that can be taken down without recourse? Of course, that's not a judgment on other people making that choice, just my personal arithmetic on whether or not it's worth it for me.
I wasn't really suggesting that Trek Continues change their own status. Heck, by now they might be legally dissolved for all I know. I was simply pointing out that they released their filing paperwork, so others could therefore use their work as a starting point for their own filings.
There might be an issue of whether or not the tax on $50,000 actually justifies the expense of a lawyer to help you file. I'm actually a little more interested in discussing film production under 501(c)(3) in general as opposed to a specific fan film context, but I would understand if that doesn't interest you.
Unless you are going into a (non) profit business making films, I don’t see the point of becoming 501 c 3 in any context, fan film or other wise.
Have you made a film yet? If you haven’t, what is the point in setting up a business until you know it’s something you can do, you want to do, for the long term?
