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AAARRGGH!
Are you an English teacher?
Hmm. Not seeing that at all.
I don’t think so, some guys are just really shy and awkward with women.
Quick aside: Back in the mid-90s I took a tour of the Coca-Cola Museum in Atlanta with my sister. I asked the tour guide when exactly it was that they stopped using cocaine in the formula. Not in an accusatory way, I was just curious as to when exactly it was that people wised up about that sort of thing. The tour guide said, with all the sincerely she could muster, "Oh, we never used cocaine in the original formula!"Opinion
Old Trek = Coca-Cola (with sugar cane)
NuTrek = New Coke
CBS Trek = Coca-Cola Classic (with fructose corn syrup)
I've tried Mexican Coke (which still uses sugar cane), and that's basically what Coke tasted like until 1985 from what I understand. And I do notice a difference. Corn Syrup is like the Visual Reboot.
"The Cage" is like Coca-Cola with cocaine, from 1886. The original original version.
Which I thought was a pretty funny way to address that question when it's brought up: Deny Deny Deny!!! I guess that was their official policy, because why open that can of worms? 
If Kim were gay, it's men he'd feel awkward around. When he first interacts with Seven, early in the fourth season, you can tell he has a massive crush. It's embarrassingly ridiculous. He's as straight as they get. It's just that he's not an Alpha Male. He's a beta. So he relies on "aw shucks" appeal. Whenever he takes a stand, Paris and Janeway are impressed. If he were normally assertive, they wouldn't think anything of it.
He knew Seven was out of his league
Quick aside: Back in the mid-90s I took a tour of the Coca-Cola Museum in Atlanta with my sister. I asked the tour guide when exactly it was that they stopped using cocaine in the formula. Not in an accusatory way, I was just curious as to when exactly it was that people wised up about that sort of thing. The tour guide said, with all the sincerely she could muster, "Oh, we never used cocaine in the original formula!"
I've toured that museum, too. And, yeah, it's a huge place, something like three stories high, full of exhibits and information on the history of Coca-Cola, and yet you can walk the entire museum and never see one word: "cocaine.
Are you an English teacher?
No, just a nitpicker. This one is particularly itchy.
Let's see...
Non Sequitur: Harry is back on Earth with his girlfriend. What's the first thing that comes to his mind? "What am I doing here?". He can't wait to get back to a timeline where chances are he'll never see her again!* Does he agonize over leaving her for that other timeline? Nope, not one second!(*Given how far Voyager was from Earth back then, it was not an unreasonable assumption).
The Disease: Harry is "in love" with an alien girl. Does he even think about staying with her? Nope. He's "in love" with her but not enough to want to live with her...
Waking Moments: The crew is having nightmares caused by an alien attacker.
Tuvok dreams that he's naked and therefore humiliated in front of the whole crew.
Janeway dreams that her whole crew died because she didn't bring them home in time.
Tom dreams that the shuttle he's flying is about to crash!
What's Harry's nightmare? That he's being kissed by Seven!!! A girl he says he has a crush on!!!
If these are not symptoms of gayness then I don't know what is.
Non Sequitur: Harry is back on Earth with his girlfriend. What's the first thing that comes to his mind? "What am I doing here?". He can't wait to get back to a timeline where chances are he'll never see her again!* Does he agonize over leaving her for that other timeline? Nope, not one second!(*Given how far Voyager was from Earth back then, it was not an unreasonable assumption).
The Disease: Harry is "in love" with an alien girl. Does he even think about staying with her? Nope. He's "in love" with her but not enough to want to live with her...
Waking Moments: The crew is having nightmares caused by an alien attacker.
Tuvok dreams that he's naked and therefore humiliated in front of the whole crew.
Janeway dreams that her whole crew died because she didn't bring them home in time.
Tom dreams that the shuttle he's flying is about to crash!
What's Harry's nightmare? That he's being kissed by Seven!!! A girl he says he has a crush on!!!
If these are not symptoms of gayness then I don't know what is.
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"Gayness" does not have "symptoms". It is not a disease.
All of those scenes could be interpreted a different way.
This makes zero sense. As @1001001 points out "gayness" is not a disease and doesn't have symptoms.
If anything, I could make the argument that Harry is terrified of being in a long term committed relationship based upon those three episodes alone.
I never said that it was a disease. I never even suggested that.
However, being in denial about one's sexuality is not exactly healthy.
I suppose so but some interpretations may not be very convincing, especially the ones that remain unexpressed.
Not the third one. Being kissed by a beautiful girl is not a stuff of nightmares, not to any straight (unengaged*) man at least.
*The precautions I must take in everything I say here are unbelievable!!!!
Calling it "symptoms" is often times synonymous with "disease."
It depends on the person and how they view relationships. Harry might view it as something outside of his control and therefore it creates fear. Lack of power and control in a relationship is certainly possible.
"Often" is not the same as "always". Why don't you wait for me to call it a disease before you accuse me of calling it a disease?
We're having an informal discussion here, not writing essays or theses.
What if I had used "indication" instead of "symptom" what would have been your objection then, huh?
So you don't find it weird that Harry's worst nightmare is being kissed by Seven?
Look, you're the one who used the term "symptoms".
1. A physical or mental feature which is regarded as indicating a condition of disease, particularly such a feature that is apparent to the patient
2. An indication of the existence of something, especially of an undesirable situation.
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So instead of trying to rationalize, justify, or blame us, just take the feedback, learn from it, and move on. It's not that hard.
And I still say no, there was no indication Harry was gay. Being nervous around women is not the same as being sexually attracted to a man.
Maybe you should think about that, since 99.9% of the rest of the posters don't have a problem.
The word does not have the connotation of disease and would be less objectionable. "Symptoms of gayness" is a poor way of phrasing it, at best. I'm not going to shy away from calling out poor phrasing just because of a possible defensive reaction.
No, not really.
Exactly.
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