ME NEITHER!
The Last Jedi - Actually Widely Hated?
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I have inclinations to do things all the time, doesn't mean I'm going to do them. You say she wants to hire women... not sure I see a problem with that. Beyond that, she actually hasn't hired any women to either write or helm any of the fives films on her watch so far.
The next trilogy? More white guys are writing it.
Then its irrelevant to the discussion.
Otherwise, I'm going to have to hate Star Wars for being anti-USA propaganda.
Otherwise, I'm going to have to hate Star Wars for being anti-USA propaganda.
Well, it started out as an analogy of Vietnam. But, could point.More anti-Nazi than anything else.
Why? Why is it uninteresting or inconsistent or wasting the character to allow him to end up with a happy ending?
(A) Star Wars is meant to be a binary good Vs bad story (B) it’s not for us. It’s for the kids.
Which is why the boy hero's mentor lied to him in the first movie and why the hero's father first turned into the most vile villain in the Universe and then struggled with his conscience for the next two.
Uh, yeah.
Gotta say, those are good characters, and I have to agree, that look, and Daisy, deserve bit better. Still. There is another.
My point is that they inherited a great franchise.. one that in the past united this country like nothing else had..one that had spirit and vigor.. and despite the villains that were the best ever seen .. the positivity of star wars shone above all else.. team work and spirit.. magic and fun.. that was what got people interested in it and got them to want to to dig deeper and explore this galaxy. But now its all mired in cynicism. Its lost its way.. some people are happy because it is more realistic I guess.. but they over compensated.. they should have used kid gloves.. they should have treated this franchise like a delicate plastic model. Every word in a script can affect s osso mething.. even tone.. and it matters. It all matters.. and a story is only as good as its executed.. and the film is mired over complicated and convoluted subplots that ultimately don't pay off.. or the payoff isn't worth sorting through the trite dialogue it took to get there. Why did the film suddenly need to get into moral grandstanding about slavery and war politics.. it certainly didn't make the story any better. And while the original trilogy played fast and loose with physics it didn't feel like whole plot points had people scratching their heads about the same physics. But the new movie.. ultimately is just an excuse fest. That's how i see it.. its just an excuse for itself. I step back and i don't see a star wars.. film.. i see a mean spirited.. "if you don't like it than you don't get it.. and if you don't get than this movie is too good for you" type film that certainly isn't good enough to be THAT.. and this from the same franchise that was enjoyed by people of all ages... it was enjoyed by kids and the kid within us all.. now it's just a divisive piece of crap that above all is not entertaining or escapist anymore.. it's just like everything else.
The lying part is fiddly as heck, they just about solve it with ‘a certain point of view’ but it’s a scrape as to whether it’s a white lie, or the lie to weaponise that insípired dumbledore in JKs conscience.
Everything else is about how attractive doing bad things can be, how powerful that can seem, but how the right choice is to resist that. That’s Luke in a nutshell. He even rejects vengeance (as we know, the true Jedi do t do revenge) while arguably obi wan falls in that. Yoda only says ‘face vader’ I believe, not defeat him.
A) that was left behind in Empire and ROTS. B) ROTS is not for kids.
Simply put Star Wars evolved.
Be serious.
So, the short version is that you don't like the last couple of Star Wars movies.
That's cool, I guess. I don't like most Marvel movies.
It's not important. They're just movies. Watch something you like, instead.
I was going to write something but why bother.. you actually don't respond to any points I might actually make .. so there is no point
I can't get past this line. This is utter nonsense. Star wars has been divisive since ESB. The prequels did so much damage in terms of negativity in the fandom, bitterness and cynicism.
This is not new. Its pretending that Star Wars was perfect before Disney, when it is not so. I recall threatening lawsuits against Lucas, long tyraids on how star wars was ruined and the like.
People can hate the ST but it's not new territory.
I disagree, with the exception that ROTS is indeed not for kids. I think the death of the younglings in particular was gratuitous from that perspective. Until then...well...even now George says it’s for the kids who are coming of age.
For me, Sith is where he started listening to the extant older fan base a little too much, and the shift to Vader as some kind of antihero begins..it’s also where he becomes more than ever the face of the franchise.
Overall, I am not sure this is a good thing.
I agree with you that Star Wars should be treated like Faberge Egg. I grew up on the original trilogy and TESB is still one of favorite favorite movies. To me Luke is like a biblical character like David or Abraham. He may mess up you can't take away his place in the list of Biblical heroes in Hebrews 11.
I abandoned TLJ when Rose appeared. I didn't understand her character or her reason for being in the film. I hated the prequels and I was unimpressed with TFA. Rogue One was OK but unremarkable. Having abandoned TLJ I think I'm pretty much done. As a wise man once said, "at some point you realize they ain't making them for you anymore".
"I can't get past this line. This is utter nonsense. Star wars has been divisive since ESB. The prequels did so much damage in terms of negativity in the fandom, bitterness and cynicism. " You should watch Empire of Dreams.. the line about STar Wars .. i just quoted Cronkite himself and he was right.
Because you have no point.
Simply making repeated assertions that something is so or that something is important doesn't make that statement either true or that supposed issue important.
What is being done with Star Wars currently is not to your tastes. That's the gist of everything you post; that is all there is to respond to. Claiming that there's something wrong with Kennedy's decision-making because she takes gender into account and you don't like that doesn't mean there's something wrong with her decision-making.
It is that simple.
Are these movies "divisive?" These movies are enormously successful, most people like them, and some fans are upset because they have other expectations. But you and some other people on the Internet not liking something doesn't make it divisive, either, just as it doesn't make it bad.
Rose is my favorite character in that movie and I hope she has more of a part in the next one