Agents of SHIELD: Season 6

[JD]

I wonder how Cap was able to not get involved in things like Korea and Vietnam. Jason

A. He took retirement. B. He was involved, but under a different name with a new secret identity. Probably spent in deep cover fighting the commies or the reds. Based on his age and super soldier formula, he could make it effectively up to the late 70's. By then, new superheroes took over like Hank Pym's Ant-Man.

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C- He was in an alternate timeline where he did. If he did end up creating an alternate timeline when he which back, which is still the interpretation I'm sticking with until another show or movie contradicts it, he could very well have continued to act as Captain America for decades after he went back in time.

 

[Henoch]

Spoiler tags for Endgame people.

Oops, tried to correct it after the fact with Spoilers tag.

 

[Tuskin38]

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His other self is still frozen in the ice, so that alternate timelines Captain America would still be there for their future

 

[OCD Geek]

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His other self is still frozen in the ice, so that alternate timelines Captain America would still be there for their future

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Peggy and her husband Steve are living married bliss. But what wacky shenanigans will happen when his younger doppelganger moves in next door with his kinda niece?

Two Steve Limit, a new sitcom coming next fall to Disney+.

 

[thribs]

So do they have a more traditional Time travel device that works along Star Trek rules or the same silly ones as the Avengers?
Should be fun to see Peggy again. Maybe even young Howard Stark as well.

 

[RJDiogenes]

Well, that was certainly an exciting and suspenseful climax, and it threw a number of surprises at us as well.

The Fear Dimension makes no sense at all, but why worry about it? So what if beings of pure energy who envy our physical bodies somehow look like cultish priests in black robes and desert dwellers from Tattooine? The important thing is that the sets look like an Indiana Jones movie, May got to have an apocalyptic sword fight with Punky, and Sarge's inner demon came out before Mack literally cut him down to size. Plus we got to see the Monoliths in their pristine condition.

I was amazed and pleasantly surprised that no one was killed off, since this was the season finale and we're heading into the final season. May and YoYo came the closest, but I was pretty afraid for Fuzzy, too. But he did get his big dramatic moment and got to save the day. Several times.

And the Chronocopters finally showed up again-- and apparently all of them but Enoch have been reassigned as Hunters-- but mainly, as expected, to set them up as the primary threat in the final season. Apparently we'll have some time-tripping adventures, since it looks like at least some of them have landed around 1932 or so. Maybe they'll bounce around a bit and we'll get some Agent Carter before the show is over.

And while Sarge is gone, SHIELD is not rid of Coulson copies yet-- for next year we've got an enhanced Chronocoulsonic LMD!

But the finale did leave us with a bunch of questions: What exactly did Enoch mean that they would have to change the very courses of their lives ("Yeah, yeah, yeah.")? How much time has passed for Simmons and Fitz? Why "can't" she know where Fitz is? Why did she show up in the temple after all the heavy lifting and not before to help with the fight? Why are they traveling to 1932? Where is Fuzzy (I kind of lost track of him)? Is the new Flint a real boy now? And will May's somewhat cryptic comment from the beginning of the season-- "We had more time than we thought"-- figure into all this somehow?

 

[Booji]

Well, season 6 wasn't bad, but it wasn't good either. Other than Fitzsimmons, Deke, and Enoch, I still don't like any of the other characters and I'm constantly hoping they die. The Sarge thing didn't work at all. The villain was really lame. Also, I've completely had it with time travel. The show should have ended with season 5. Meh.

 

[DarKush]

I saw the season finale the other day and overall I enjoyed this season more than I did Arrow, Flash, Gotham, or Black Lightning, in comparison to other superhero shows this year.

I didn't watch the whole season, and it took me a moment to buy Clark Gregg's hard-edged "Sarge" but I did like how his emergence affected the rest of the Shield team.

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I also thought Izel was a good villain.

So, coming down to the finale I was interested to see where it would go. I liked the first part better than the second. I think they played it too safe in the second part.

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For the second part, I found it hard to accept that May could take sword to the guts, bleed out like that, and still get up and do the moves she was doing against Izel. Certainly one could say it was due to the unique dimension she was in, but I thought it was too hard to accept. While I did enjoy some of the Izel-May showdown, I do think more could've been done to make the fear dimension and its inhabitants look different. If the goal was to have them take over human bodies why not show them more as apparitions or incorporeal? I also thought the Sarge-Mack showdown made little sense, when clearly Sarge could've overpowered Mack at anytime. The finale also didn't use Daisy or Yo-Yo's powers enough. I've long thought this show doesn't know what to do with having a speedster as an agent. In the big showdowns, perhaps they were trying to focus on the confrontations that would elicit the most emotion for the characters and viewers, but I don't know.

I did enjoy Sarge's true form. I wish we had gotten Izel's true form as well. I wasn't sure though which side Sarge was on until the end. Perhaps it was meant to be that way, but I also chalk it up to Gregg's take on Sarge not being that expressive. I wish they had been more clear about Sarge's villainy in those final moments to really enjoy his confrontation with Mack.

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I wasn't expecting the time travel twist, and was hoping the person they would be getting help from was Agent Carter. Though of course having Coulson back-in a sense-made more sense within the show.

 

[JD]

So do they have a more traditional Time travel device that works along Star Trek rules or the same silly ones as the Avengers?

It's an altered version of the teleportation device Hydra and the Confederacy used last season.

May got to have an apocalyptic sword fight with Punky,

Izel

Fuzzy, too.

Deke

And the Chronocopters finally showed up againChronocoulsonic LMD!

Chronicom.
I wonder if we're ever going to get to see what the Chronicoms really look like? We got a glimpse of Enoch's silhouette when he first appeared, but since then they seem to be treating as just regular old humanoids.

 

[Christopher]

but since then they seem to be treating as just regular old humanoids.

Enoch did mention killing the hunter and stealing his skin to impersonate him. So the writers haven't forgotten. Besides, we already had a "reveal the alien under the skin" gag with Sarge/Pachakutiq.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I can't believe they contrived a way to separate Fitz and Simmons yet again. That's getting older than Coulson returning from the dead.

 

[JD]

I forgot about Enoch and the hunter, but we still didn't get to see what he really looks like.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I can't believe they contrived a way to separate Fitz and Simmons yet again. That's getting older than Coulson returning from the dead.

Yeah, that was unfortunate. It's even worse than John and Aeryn on Farscape, although at least most of the reasons that kept them separated (romantically speaking) made sense and was even clever a couple of times.

 

[Reverend]

I'm not entirely sure they were separated. We only heard Fitz over the coms and there was something about Simmons that struck me as a little...Chroniconesque. It's possibly she's an LMD too and the real Simmons is somewhere else, possibly with Fitz. Maybe they're back in the mind link thing and are controlling things remotely somehow? Of course that would mean they're either somewhere on the Zepher or can somehow communicate across time and space?

 

[OCD Geek]

Okay. I've been thinking more and more about the ChroniCoulson LMD twist. At first I thought is was disappointing after a season of the show and the characters dealing with the fallout of Coulson being gone. And then flirting with him coming back through the goodness (i.e. Coulson) in Sarge overcoming the evilness (i.e. Pachakutiq) in him. That would have been very cliched, but instead they went with the twist of the evilness in Sarge winning out in the end. I originally thought that this LMD twist was a massive wallback on all of that story and character development until something hit me.

If I recall correctly, the only reason Aida became sentient was due to reading the Darkhold. This new LMD, despite all the fancy Chronicom technology, hasn't done that. Yes, Enoch and the other Chronicoms are sentient, but A) we still aren't 100% sure what they are exactly ("I am not a robot"; they originated on Chronyca-2; maybe they started as biological life forms and started adding more and more tech to themselves until the point where they were more synthetic than biological in the aftermath of barely surviving an extinction level event on Chronyca-1) and 2) they've existed for at least 30,000 years according to Enoch. That's a long ass time to gradually become sentient even if they didn't start off that way.

So we'll have an LMD with all of Coulson's memories (plus updates on all post-Mainframe events, presuming that the bulk of his memory is provided by a scan from when the real Coulson was hooked up to the Mainframe) and aspects of his personality, but he still won't be Coulson. And he won't be sentient like Enoch is. He'll be a slightly "off" shell. A walking, talking SHIELD encyclopedia that acts like Coulson, but is an imperfect facsimile. Sometimes he'll feel like the real deal. Other times he'll feel like exactly what he is: a soulless robotic shell. A daily reminder for the team that the real Coulson is gone forever. I could fuck with that.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Okay. I've been thinking more and more about the ChroniCoulson LMD twist. At first I thought is was disappointing after a season of the show and the characters dealing with the fallout of Coulson being gone. And then flirting with him coming back through the goodness (i.e. Coulson) in Sarge overcoming the evilness (i.e. Pachakutiq) in him. That would have been very cliched, but instead they went with the twist of the evilness in Sarge winning out in the end. I originally thought that this LMD twist was a massive wallback on all of that story and character development until something hit me.

If I recall correctly, the only reason Aida became sentient was due to reading the Darkhold. This new LMD, despite all the fancy Chronicom technology, hasn't done that. Yes, Enoch and the other Chronicoms are sentient, but A) we still aren't 100% sure what they are exactly ("I am not a robot"; they originated on Chronyca-2; maybe they started as biological life forms and started adding more and more tech to themselves until the point where they were more synthetic than biological in the aftermath of barely surviving an extinction level event on Chronyca-1) and 2) they've existed for at least 30,000 years according to Enoch. That's a long ass time to gradually become sentient even if they didn't start off that way.

So we'll have an LMD with all of Coulson's memories (plus updates on all post-Mainframe events, presuming that the bulk of his memory is provided by a scan from when the real Coulson was hooked up to the Mainframe) and aspects of his personality, but he still won't be Coulson. And he won't be sentient like Enoch is. He'll be a slightly "off" shell. A walking, talking SHIELD encyclopedia that acts like Coulson, but is an imperfect facsimile. Sometimes he'll feel like the real deal. Other times he'll feel like exactly what he is: a soulless robotic shell. A daily reminder for the team that the real Coulson is gone forever. I could fuck with that.

If that's how the showrunners handle it (and instead of pretending he's the real Coulson), then that definitely works for me. I also hope we get a better understanding of who the Chronicoms are and their history, but I agree with your analysis based on what little we do know.

 

[JD]

I'm not entirely sure they were separated. We only heard Fitz over the coms and there was something about Simmons that struck me as a little...Chroniconesque. It's possibly she's an LMD too and the real Simmons is somewhere else, possibly with Fitz. Maybe they're back in the mind link thing and are controlling things remotely somehow? Of course that would mean they're either somewhere on the Zepher or can somehow communicate across time and space?

I was under the impression that he just wasn't with them, and didn't want to say where he was over the radio or whatever communication system they were using.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

I'm a big spoilerphobe myself, more than most, but I think there's an argument that since SHIELD takes place in the MCU after the events of Endgame that there might be an exception to be made. That said, for politeness sake I don't mind adding a spoiler box out of caution when asked.

 

[Christopher]

I'm a big spoilerphobe myself, more than most, but I think there's an argument that since SHIELD takes place in the MCU after the events of Endgame that there might be an exception to be made. That said, for politeness sake I don't mind adding a spoiler box out of caution when asked.

Except that the producers have retconned the timing and claimed that this season was still pre-Endgame, because they weren't able to set it post-Endgame without spoiling the movie. It's really hard to reconcile the timing of the past two seasons with movie canon at this point.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

^ I stand corrected, then. That makes sense now that I think about it, which I guess I hadn't really, my bad. They've been so loosely coupled I guess I just rolled on with watching AoS without trying to put the pieces together, I just assumed it had rolled on in the wake of it.

Spoiler: Endgame

I forgot just how long that time jump was in Endgame.