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Theory: Picard and Seven were or still are in a romantic relationship??

Were or are Picard and Seven ever in a romantic relationship?


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So this thread invoked a Star Trek shower thought this morning. I decided that a Picard/Seven ship would have made for a much better Insurrection. (Ignoring the obvious fact that the film came out before Voy was 'home'.)

My fundamental problem with that film is that I just don't care about a bunch of new-age hippies living in a commune in Northern California. That makes the moral dilemma completely uncompelling.

So replace the Ba'Ku with a small group of liberated Borg with Seven as their leader person.

Basically, The Doc, Bev, or whoever figures out a way to create an anti-assimilation "vaccine" (for lack of a better word) from liberated blood. However, it cannot be synthetically replicated. And while only a microscopic amount is needed per person, harvesting enough to vaccinate everyone in Starfleet and other high-risk peoples of note would require more blood than the liberated could give and survive. And they can't be given regular blood transfusions for the same reason theirs can't be synthetically recreated. Basically, Seven and 300 of her closest friends all need to die in order to save millions. Picard is excused because he wasn't Borg long enough for the magic stuff to take effect. But he still relates to their plight on a personal level. (Which only helps to sell it to the audience.)

And let's pretend that, instead of destroying most of the Borg, Admiral Wrongway just really pissed them off. And isolated attacks have started to become more frequent. And, even without the transwarp network, it's expected that the Borg can mount a full incursion into the Alpha within five years. So there is some urgency.

And bPicards personal connection only helps connect the audience to the dilemma and the face of the victim is someone the audience already cares about. This in turn makes the film's fundamental argument that "Needs of the many..." is a flawed concept actually hold dramatic weight.
 
I can’t believe it’s three pages in and no one has done the:

PICARD WRITERS ROOM, ADVICE FROM PATRICK STEWART

‘And then her catsuit and all her implants fall off, but it’s too late....I’ve assimilated everything....’
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I fail to see any evidence in the trailer that Picard and Seven had a relationship.

The way she appeared in the trailer reminded me somehow of an old flame visiting her former lover. There are a lot of movie trailers that play with his trope like this.

And as i mentioned before, Seven's line is really similar to how Mara talked with her husband Luke in some of the novels of the old Star Wars EU.
 
The way she appeared in the trailer reminded me somehow of an old flame visiting her former lover. There are a lot of movie trailers that play with his trope like this.

Maybe, but out of context, who knows. Besides, the scene seemed to be more to communicate that Seven has picked up a lot of her lost humanity in the years since VOY ended then anything else.

And as i mentioned before, Seven's line is really similar to how Mara talked with her husband Luke in some of the novels of the old Star Wars EU.

Old Star Wars novels are not relevant to new Star Trek TV shows.
 
That's the second time I've seen somebody assert that the location was his place. But she's saying, "What the hell are you doing out here, Picard? Saving the galaxy?" Seems like he's visiting her, somewhere.
I think he's at his vineyard, and she is visiting him. Maybe she was asking what Picard is doing hanging out at the vineyard rather than exploring the galaxy?

I admit that "out here" is a bit odd language, but in context she might consider him to be more "out in the middle of nowhere" when hanging out in his vineyard than he would be if he were in space. So she might be saying he has cut himself off from his former life by hiding "out here" at his vineyard.

And the "Saving the galaxy?" remark was probably meant to be sarcastic. As in, his life destiny has been to save the galaxy (which he had practically done on several occasions), but he can't do it hiding away in his vineyard, hiding out from his former life.
 
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I think Seven teasing him like that, shows a certain comfort in their relationship. Maybe they were or are together or they are close friends. I'm sure they are more than acquaintances, they have a history together. Can't wait to find out what it is.
 
I've seen enough Lifeforce to know how Picard and Seven's relationship will go in the show.
To add to this, I expect Picard to be the naked space vampire.

I think Seven teasing him like that, shows a certain comfort in their relationship. Maybe they were or are together or they are close friends. I'm sure they are more than acquaintances, they have a history together. Can't wait to find out what it is.
My realistic expectation is that they know of other and their reputations, and maybe they're acquainted. But it's too tricky for me to get a read on whether they're actual close friends off of short clips from a trailer.
 
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She obtained a Starfleet commission and then got on the fast track to Admiralty before him. That's why she refers to him by last name.

Kor
 
Seven has elements of every one that was assimilated at Wolf 359 in the back of her brain.

Locutus may have been the hero of Wolf 359, but he murdered and oversaw the assimilation of thousands of Starfleet officers that are still inside Seven.

Picard killed her or enslaved her, thousands and thousands of times further over and over again.
 
Maybe there's a support group for people traumatized by the Borg and Seven and Picard met there while drinking burnt coffee and eating stale donuts and Seven and Picard became buddies and Picard, missing Data, saw a chance to do something similar: to be part of a (partially-)artificial lifeform's journey towards humanity.
 
This new article has a quote from Jerri Ryan about what has happened to Seven in the intervening years...


https://trekmovie.com/2019/08/05/st...alks-sevens-new-voice-rikers-return-and-more/

" ... Honestly, it was freaking terrifying, and these two [Frakes and Del Arco] can attest to that! They both saved my ass! I was freaking out. She was a very specific character for four years on Voyager. There was a lot of growth, and all of that. She went from being a machine to learning to be human. But, particularly the way she moved and her voice, that was what I was really hung up on. Her voice didn’t change that much in four years. So, she had a stilted, very formal, very stylized way of speaking, at the end of Voyager. So, when I got the initial script, and from [what] I knew from the original pitch with James [Duff] a year and a half ago, she is not the same Seven. She is much more human. She been on Earth for a long time, she has been through a lot. So, when I saw that initial script and as you saw “what the hell are you doing out here?” It’s a very, very different voice. And that is what was freaking me out. ..."

Addendum:

I forgot to mention that the article points out that Seven apparently doesn't show up in the new show till the second or third episode.
 
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