Spiner's a geezer; get used to it.
I'm a geezer and I've been used to it for years. LOL
News Brent Spiner Returned for "Picard" (and you could do the CGI better in 15 minutes, we get it)
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I'm a geezer and I've been used to it for years. LOL
Is Spiner only doing the voice and some motion capture? Is Spiner performing on-set and receiving digital makeup and body modification to make him look young and slim? Is a different actor playing Data on set with Spiner performing the same scenes in a VFX bay for his face and voice to be added on top?
The thing about Data is that the character as we know him was not really based in technical trickery or special effects. You could tell it was a man in makeup; you could see the lines in Spiner's face, the bags under his eyes. It was the body language and demeanor that made Data seem artificial.
Spiner had a peculiar movement system that subtly implied mechanical calculation. He had a crisp, machinelike, approximative approach to human mannerisms and behaviours from eye contact to speech to indicate he was programmed to simulate interpersonal interaction. His voice was an extremely pleasant exercise in perfect neutrality, neither happy nor sad but certainly curious and innocent. Data was one of the first depictions of artificial intelligence where the intelligence was an accommodating, endearing personality. Every child wanted their own Data to play with them, to explore the world with them, to protect them. There is something bizarre and sweet about how Picard, who is Data's boss, spent a lot of time having boyish and innocent adventures with Data, going fishing and playing detectives.
A lot of what made Data so special was unique to Spiner; at times, body doubles were hired for episodes where Spiner played multiple roles. These body doubles often walked stiffly or moved with harsh intensity, completely missing Spiner's subtle indicators. Jonathan Frakes once remarked, "You don't realize how subtle and brilliant Brent Spiner's performance is until you see someone else doing it -- badly."
I wouldn't want Data to be the product of CG artists. He should start with Spiner and the CG team should go from there.
The thing about Data is that the character as we know him was not really based in technical trickery or special effects. You could tell it was a man in makeup; you could see the lines in Spiner's face, the bags under his eyes. It was the body language and demeanor that made Data seem artificial.
Spiner had a peculiar movement system that subtly implied mechanical calculation. He had a crisp, machinelike, approximative approach to human mannerisms and behaviours from eye contact to speech to indicate he was programmed to simulate interpersonal interaction. His voice was an extremely pleasant exercise in perfect neutrality, neither happy nor sad but certainly curious and innocent. Data was one of the first depictions of artificial intelligence where the intelligence was an accommodating, endearing personality. Every child wanted their own Data to play with them, to explore the world with them, to protect them. There is something bizarre and sweet about how Picard, who is Data's boss, spent a lot of time having boyish and innocent adventures with Data, going fishing and playing detectives.
A lot of what made Data so special was unique to Spiner; at times, body doubles were hired for episodes where Spiner played multiple roles. These body doubles often walked stiffly or moved with harsh intensity, completely missing Spiner's subtle indicators. Jonathan Frakes once remarked, "You don't realize how subtle and brilliant Brent Spiner's performance is until you see someone else doing it -- badly."
I wouldn't want Data to be the product of CG artists. He should start with Spiner and the CG team should go from there.
After 10 years, none of us are as sharp or slim-faced as we used to be. But we press on.
What?
Getting old sucks but them's the breaks.
Are you saying that they shouldn't bother with digital touchups, and just let him look like a 70 year old man caked in makeup? Digital Touchup's don't have to be CGI, it's essentially filters used on sections of the face to smooth it out
I'm not sure what you are referring to, I was trying to say that it's been about 10 years since I was regularly on a message board, I'm not exactly up to speed on what the standards are for posting(if they have changed in 10 years)
Exactly. As we get older, we tend to not be quite as quick on the changes in the tech. It's rough getting old but someone's got to do it.
ah ok, understood
Good thing because I was running out of metaphors
I was about to get all literal on y'all.Good thing because I was running out of metaphors
With "Colorful" Metaphors?
No, I'm nice. No worries.
I'm saying I don't want Data to be purely CG like Casper or Garfield in a live action movie. I want Brent Spiner to be performing the movements and on set with the actors and to provide a physical presence even if the end result is CG.
well then you don't have to worry, he's not CGI, it's just a combination of makeup, lighting, and digital touchups, perhaps areas of his face tightened a bit, but that's digital manipulation, not a CG Character
oh goodness, a friend had sent this to me yesterday
Nobody really knows what they've done, do they? You can pull all sorts of tricks when you're wearing pancake makeup and a wig even without bringing in CGI. For instance, they performed miracles with Pee Wee's last movie, basically pulling his face into a facelift with tape.
https://www.inverse.com/article/130...ee-wee-herman-young-again-for-his-big-holiday
I have some experience in digital touch-ups, and I am telling you, there are digital touch-ups going on here, if you have a trained eye, you can notice certain give aways, just like with people who do greenscreen compositing work can notice things because their eye is trained. your giving links to the wrong person
Additionally, this show is shot Digitally, a hell of a lot more detail shows up, so much that they have no choice but to digitally(not CGI) smooth his face so that lines and wrinkles are not prominent
This is the type of smoothing going on
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Spiner looks pretty damn good in the trailer