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New Picard SDCC Trailer

Popular episodes and movies are vastly more likely to be referenced than unpopular ones. There are entries in the canon which most people would be fine with pretending they never happened. I'm thinking VOY:Threshold or TNG:Lonely Among Us.

You may be right and yet, Nemesis was all over that trailer. :shifty:
 
Popular episodes and movies are vastly more likely to be referenced than unpopular ones. There are entries in the canon which most people would be fine with pretending they never happened. I'm thinking VOY:Threshold or TNG:Lonely Among Us.
If it happened on screen it's fair game to be referenced, in my opinion. That includes the poorer outings as well as the top-shelf ones.

This is Star Trek-warts and all.

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They're not pretending it didn't happen (which, TBH, would be weird), but I predict they're going to gloss over details. "Data died saving me".
Fair enough. While perhaps not a detailed reference, more of an allusion to what took place.
 
If it happened on screen it's fair game to be referenced, in my opinion. That includes the poorer outings as well as the top-shelf ones.

This is Star Trek-warts and all.

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It is a pretty fair point that the more well-known outings tend to get more referential love.

But I will say, Enterprise seems to get a hell of a lot of references for a series that seems to be one of (if not) the least popular. I was not expecting it to play so heavily into Star Trek Beyond and even its mirror universe episodes to practically be the backbone of Discovery's.
 
It is a pretty fair point that the more well-known outings tend to get more referential love.
Of course. I was arguing against the whole "people would be happy to forget" argument about episodes. For good or ill, they are there and can be referenced.
But I will say, Enterprise seems to get a hell of a lot of references for a series that seems to be one of (if not) the least popular. I was not expecting it to play so heavily into Star Trek Beyond and even its mirror universe episodes to practically be the backbone of Discovery's.
I was pleasantly surprised in Beyond, as well as ST 09, with "Admiral Archer's prized beagle" bit.
 
Maybe they never got B-4 to fully work due to the shortcomings of his positronic brain. He "became" Data, but he couldn't survive longterm. So they keep him in a drawer and Jean-Luc pulls him out once in a blue moon for a game of cards and to ask his advice when necessary.

I actually think this is a more likely prediction than any others on this topic thus far.

I don't think the film's reception critically or from the fans really matters on whether the events of it should be referenced. Like it or not, Nemesis is canon and the series is free to use it as a way to set it up. And besides, let's be honest, despite the fact that Nemesis was intent on being the last film, it ended fairly open-ended and I think we are at least owed some kind of explanation as to what happened after that; however minor it might be.

Agree 100%. Regardless of the "popularity" of the film, there were several events that took place that were major and would need to be addressed or at least acknowledged.
 
There were conflicting versions from the writers as to whether or not they could use movie characters. That may have been a factor.

A phone call to legal would've sorted that out real quick. IIRC, everything prior to the Viacom split (which would be everything up to Nemesis) was and is CBS property.

Of course. I was arguing against the whole "people would be happy to forget" argument about episodes. For good or ill, they are there and can be referenced.

The point isn't whether they can. The point is whether they will. There are episodes that will be deliberately ignored for as long as Trek continues to be made. Most of them are perfectly fine episodes that simply need no follow-on, but some of them are the real stinkers that nobody in their right mind wants to go anywhere near.
 
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Robert Meyer Burnett claims that the concept for ST:Picard comes from Bryan Fuller (starts at 8:20):
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Yeah, other than the evacuation of Romulus it really doesn't sound the same at all to me. I mean there's only so many directions you could go 20 years post Nemesis. He also tried to stir the pot about David Mack's Control being used......I think David is fine with it since it was just announced that he is an official consultant for the Trek Universe. Rob keeps coming across as bitter that he is not involved and these videos do not help him or his chances.

What is Fuller even doing now? He left Trek because of American Gods.....then left American Gods after season one...was attached to Anne Rice's Vampire Chronicles then left.....was attached to Apple's Amazing Stories anthology reboot.......then left.
 
The point isn't whether they can. The point is whether they will. There are episodes that will be deliberately ignored for as long as Trek continues to be made. Most of them are perfectly fine episodes that simply need no follow-on, but some of them are the real stinkers that nobody in their right mind wants to go anywhere near.
Odd...to say the least.

I guess I'm not in my right mind ;)
 
The one negative which strikes me (apart from the involvement of Riker and Troi; ugh) is that I thought the trailer would get more views. The CBS trailer is on 2.6 million, and Amazon Prime is under 1 million.

The Witcher trailer has over 13 million.
 
The one negative which strikes me (apart from the involvement of Riker and Troi; ugh) is that I thought the trailer would get more views. The CBS trailer is on 2.6 million, and Amazon Prime is under 1 million.

The Witcher trailer has over 13 million.
Someone is watching it somewhere.........I get about 200 reaction videos when I search for it. Do Twitter and Instagram views count?

You know each country has its own Prime YouTube channel right?
 
But I will say, Enterprise seems to get a hell of a lot of references for a series that seems to be one of (if not) the least popular. I was not expecting it to play so heavily into Star Trek Beyond and even its mirror universe episodes to practically be the backbone of Discovery's.
TPTB do seem determined to ram the "franchise killers" (now Nemesis too) down our throats.

"That thing you hated? It's really important to what we're doing now. Learn to love it."

Sounds a bit paranoid, but I wouldn't be too surprised if there are mandates from above to maximize value of underperforming parts of the franchise by featuring it prominently.
 
The one negative which strikes me (apart from the involvement of Riker and Troi; ugh) is that I thought the trailer would get more views. The CBS trailer is on 2.6 million, and Amazon Prime is under 1 million.

The Witcher trailer has over 13 million.

Bigger cross over audience.
Very successful video game.
Very successful book series.
People looking for ‘new’ game of thrones.
It will get covered by many many more news sites as a result.
It’s also not gated internationally.

I wouldn’t worry. Picard has good buzz. Better than discovery I would say.
 
A phone call to legal would've sorted that out real quick. IIRC, everything prior to the Viacom split (which would be everything up to Nemesis) was and is CBS property.



The point isn't whether they can. The point is whether they will. There are episodes that will be deliberately ignored for as long as Trek continues to be made. Most of them are perfectly fine episodes that simply need no follow-on, but some of them are the real stinkers that nobody in their right mind wants to go anywhere near.


So, wait...does this mean Picard won’t tie into GENESIS or SHADES OF GREY!

TO HELL WITH THIS SERIES! Hope it fails!
 
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