Spoilers Combined Star Trek SDCC Coverage thread (potential Disco S2 spoilers)

[Noname Given]

Just answering this one:
"Picard" is a very specific sequel, to a very specific character, played by a very specific character. Recurring elements from this character's history there is not "fanwank" or "needless fanservice". It's following up on core part of this very character's story.

If OTOH there was a new Trek show in the post-TNG time, on a fresh new starship, with new characters, and a fresh young actor as lead - THEN it would be "fanwank" if all they ever did was to introduce TNG/VOY/DS9-characters or elements or follow up plot-threads from there.

Apples to oranges. If they do a Pike-show - no one is going to complain that it will carry over recurring characters from DIS, like Pike, SPock, No. 1, Sarek or Empress L'Rell. Because they would belong there. But it would be fan-service if they then continue to introduce completely unrelated TOS elements like Horta, the Doomsday machine or the Gorn. Should be easy to understand, right?

Funny though isn't it that Patrick Stewart himself (by his own comments) DOESN'T see the project as a sequel to TNG - and WASN'T INTERESTED in doing such a sequel (which is why he told them 'no' many times before the final pitch that sold him).

Face it - because you LOVE TNG, you enjoy the fact that you're seeing other characters you love again. You don't care for the TOS era as much so you can't understand why fans who love that era were excited and interested they were bringing old characters those fans loved (and the writers and actors BOTH did an amazing job in bringing those new 21st century version of said characters to life - to the point fans of the TOS era WANT a 'Pike' show.)

So yeah, excuse me if I call out the fact that when it's something you don't care for it's degraded as 'fanwank'; but since TNG is are era you love anything there WRT bringing old characters back is just 'natural'/'logical'.

Again, Star Trek (TOS) has a 53 year history, and TNG has a 30 year history. I don't think it's either crazy, lazy or 'fanwank' for them to do things, like use or revist good/popular characters that give a nod to the older fans who've stuck with the franchise for years while still doing NEW stuff that does entice new fans to jump in.

 

[fireproof78]

doing NEW stuff that does entice new fans to jump in.

I hope the new stuff takes more focus. That would easy my disquiet over this series.

 

[Tuskin38]

I hope the new stuff takes more focus. That would easy my disquiet over this series.

They've emphasized in interviews that Picard's new 'crew' and their story (in connection to Picard) is the main focus of the story.

 

[Shon T'Hara]

Agree to disagree.

No, he's right. It's just the Borg were only ever used effectively twice -- Q Who and BoBW Part 1.

 

[fireproof78]

No, he's right. It's just the Borg were only ever used effectively twice -- Q Who and BoBW Part 1.

That doesn't make them the best.

 

[Longinus]

Funny though isn't it that Patrick Stewart himself (by his own comments) DOESN'T see the project as a sequel to TNG - and WASN'T INTERESTED in doing such a sequel (which is why he told them 'no' many times before the final pitch that sold him).

Face it - because you LOVE TNG, you enjoy the fact that you're seeing other characters you love again. You don't care for the TOS era as much so you can't understand why fans who love that era were excited and interested they were bringing old characters those fans loved (and the writers and actors BOTH did an amazing job in bringing those new 21st century version of said characters to life - to the point fans of the TOS era WANT a 'Pike' show.)

So yeah, excuse me if I call out the fact that when it's something you don't care for it's degraded as 'fanwank'; but since TNG is are era you love anything there WRT bringing old characters back is just 'natural'/'logical'.

Again, Star Trek (TOS) has a 53 year history, and TNG has a 30 year history. I don't think it's either crazy, lazy or 'fanwank' for them to do things, like use or revist good/popular characters that give a nod to the older fans who've stuck with the franchise for years while still doing NEW stuff that does entice new fans to jump in.

To me the big difference here is that the original actors continue the story of their characters in a show whose concept is build around those characters, as opposed to new actors resurrecting old characters to appear in a show originally visioned around other characters. (Not that I was particularly opposed to Pike & Spock appearing in Discovery, but it's really not the same thing.)

 

[Rahul]

Face it - because you LOVE TNG, you enjoy the fact that you're seeing other characters you love again. You don't care for the TOS era as much so you can't understand why fans who love that era were excited and interested they were bringing old characters those fans loved (and the writers and actors BOTH did an amazing job in bringing those new 21st century version of said characters to life - to the point fans of the TOS era WANT a 'Pike' show.)

So yeah, excuse me if I call out the fact that when it's something you don't care for it's degraded as 'fanwank'; but since TNG is are era you love anything there WRT bringing old characters back is just 'natural'/'logical'.

Dude. I'm a TOS guy. Hardcore. It's even in my avatar. TNG is my very close second.

I just don't care for DIS introducing TOS elements. Not because it's TOS elements. But because what they do with it is fucking stupid.

Your entire post is some self-absorbed, assuming bullshit. I gave you exactly an example why PIC is allowed to do that (it's the same character/actor reprising), and why on DIS it's some fan-wanky name-recognition/brand name stupidity. Has jack shit to do with era. It's about quality.

 

[fireproof78]

Locutus was the most traumatic event in Picard's life.
Ignoring it while trying to show how he has dealt with life's ups & downs for the last 20-something years would be kinda silly.

He did deal with it though. That's my point.

 

[Shon T'Hara]

What do you people think is more likely, Riker is still in Starfleet (Captain or Admiral), or retired with his family?

I should point out, they've confirmed Frakes is returning, not Will Riker.

He could be playing Tom. I mean, wouldn't that be fun, Picard having to turn to the morally compromised clone of his first officer for help?

 

[fireproof78]

I should point out, they've confirmed Frakes is returning, not Will Riker.

He could be playing Tom. I mean, wouldn't that be fun, Picard having to turn to the morally compromised clone of his first officer for help?

I saw somewhere that Stewart said he had filmed with Frakes as Riker?

 

[Tuskin38]

I should point out, they've confirmed Frakes is returning, not Will Riker.

He could be playing Tom. I mean, wouldn't that be fun, Picard having to turn to the morally compromised clone of his first officer for help?

They confirmed it's Will, him and Deanna will be appearing.

 

[TPezz]

Thoughts on Dahj being Picards daughter. Made by the Borg using Picard/Locutus DNA?

 

[fireproof78]

Thoughts on Dahj being Picards daughter. Made by the Borg using Picard/Locutus DNA?

Doesn't really answer the question as to why she is a danger to the galaxy though. That's the one sticking point for me.

 

[Cake]

All that's missing is Q.

I hope he will appear. If not in season 1, then in a later one.

Funny though isn't it that Patrick Stewart himself (by his own comments) DOESN'T see the project as a sequel to TNG - and WASN'T INTERESTED in doing such a sequel (which is why he told them 'no' many times before the final pitch that sold him).

Quoting Wikipedia:

"A sequel is a literature, film, theatre, television, music or video game that continues the story of, or expands upon, some earlier work. In the common context of a narrative work of fiction, a sequel portrays events set in the same fictional universe as an earlier work, usually chronologically following the events of that work."

So PIC is clearly a sequel of TNG as per this common definition. And also of ENT, TOS, TAS, DS9, VOY and DIS (at least season 1 and 2).

I think what Stewart meant with PIC not being a sequel to TNG is, that outside of being set in the same universe at a later time and with some old characters, that it will be really different to TNG. Picard, Riker, Troi, Worf, etc. won't be the crew of the Enterprise again. The whole premise will be different. Likely the tone will also be changed a bit. It won't feel and look like TNG 2.0.

 

[ITDUDE]

Doesn't really answer the question as to why she is a danger to the galaxy though. That's the one sticking point for me.

Self aware Borg with knowledge of Picard (even if 20+ years outdated), ability to assimilate anyone at any time, incredibly strong, smart, etc...
If these are all true, she could infact be a danger to the galaxy

 

[Nerys Myk]

No, he's right. It's just the Borg were only ever used effectively twice -- Q Who and BoBW Part 1.

They were well used in Regeneration.

 

[ITDUDE]

I hope he will appear. If not in season 1, then in a later one.



Quoting Wikipedia:

"A sequel is a literature, film, theatre, television, music or video game that continues the story of, or expands upon, some earlier work. In the common context of a narrative work of fiction, a sequel portrays events set in the same fictional universe as an earlier work, usually chronologically following the events of that work."

So PIC is clearly a sequel of TNG as per this common defintion. And also of ENT, TOS, TAS, DS9, VOY and DIS (at least season 1 and 2).

I think what Stewart meant with PIC not being a sequel to TNG is, that outside of being set in the same universe at a later time and with some old characters, that it will be really different to TNG. Picard, Riker, Troi, Worf, etc. won't be the crew of the Enterprise again. The whole premise will be different. Likely the tone will also be changed a bit. It won't feel and look like TNG 2.0.

Yeah, by most common definitions it’s probably closer to a spin-off.

Discovery was a reboot that they changed to a prequel that they changed into a sequel?! Who knows what that show is about now anyway. PIC is definitely a spin-off.

 

[fireproof78]

. It won't feel and look like TNG 2.0.

It definitely has a different tone than TNG which is nice. I think that's why things like Seven and Data stand out so much to me. It feels like a mismatch of tone...kind of. It's hard to explain.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

If ST: Picard succeeds, I want a ST: Sisko, ST: Janeway, ST: Riker, etc.

 

[ITDUDE]

If ST: Picard succeeds, I want a ST: Sisko, ST: Janeway, ST: Riker, etc.

All but Sisko, DS9 never gets any love
But seriously, I can definitely see a Janeway series. Kate Mulgrew kicked as as Janeway, kicks ass as Red, definitely would kick ass in any future Trek.