Agents of SHIELD: Season 6

[Morpheus 02]

With Sarge...just wondering if Coulson himself is some kind of clone or something?

Even though May said she knew when /where he was born, his parents, etc. .. i am wondering if that was still a cover story.

The first season still it felt like some parts of Coulson's story didn't add up. We might have dismissed it as effects of TAHITI... but we might get a reveal about Coulson himself. And Sarge SAYS he is over 100 years old...but could be time travel involved too.

Look forward to the next episode.... now is this a potential final? Or is at least 1 more guaranteed?

 

[JD]

I didn't have that exact thought, but I have been wonder since they revealed Sarge's age, if the big twist was going to be that he actually came first.
[QUOTE="RJDiogenes, post: 13002490, member: 2147" And his friend with the ZZ Top beard has turned out to be a fire-breathing dragon, which raises the question of how he even has a beard. [/QUOTE]
The reveal of that was a pretty great moment, I did not expect it at all.

 

[Tuskin38]

Hah

Spoiler

So she is the creator

Also I hate cliffhangers

 

[Enterprise is Great]

We just had another earthquake in Southern California so news coverage of that has taken over. Hopefully people are ok.

 

[Non Sync]

We just had another earthquake in Southern California so news coverage of that has taken over. Hopefully people are ok.

M7.1 back in Ridgecrest. Yesterday's M6.4 is now being called a fore-quake. So far, no fatalities reported. Some houses have been lost due to shaken from their foundations or a couple houses have burned.
Looking at the USGS earthquake map, they're having aftershocks in the 2.5-4 range every couple of minutes.
It was felt over a large range of Southern California. It was even felt in Las Vegas where the NBA's Summer League games were cancelled for the rest of the night due to concerns about the big overhead scoreboard and speakers at the Thomas & Mack Center. A couple of television anchors were on-air and went under the desk for a little while.
Things rolled pretty good in south Orange County where it seemed to roll for almost a minute. It was a gentle rolling and not violent, but I did wonder if it was going to build to something bigger.
(Not to make too light a joke, but Daisy needs to find another place for her vacation.)

 

[Reverend]

So she escaped from a fear dimension...like the one they blew a hole into last season when the three monoliths were destroyed? I'm sure that's totally a coincidence...
So far my theory that Sarge might have been "created" when Coulson got too close to that thing seems to be holding up (the time discrepancy isn't much of a problem given the white monolith was part of that whole thing.)

So, when Sarge went on about his Shrike repellent device works my emitting sonic frequencies, did anyone leap to the conclusion that Daisy is going to wind up using her power to mimic that effect at some point?

 

[Christopher]

So, when Sarge went on about his Shrike replant device works my emitting sonic frequencies, did anyone leap to the conclusion that Daisy is going to wind up user her power to mimic that effect at some point?

I had that thought, but I'm not sure the repellent device was anything but a red herring to hide his real plan to blow up the truck. I mean, apparently he never intended to get close enough to the Shrike to need the repellent.

 

[David cgc]

I had that thought, but I'm not sure the repellent device was anything but a red herring to hide his real plan to blow up the truck. I mean, apparently he never intended to get close enough to the Shrike to need the repellent.

His bomb wouldn't work very well if the truck got stabbed through with crystal knives before it got close to the tower, and Deke is a doofus, but I figure he knows enough about mechanics to know whether or not he's just been handed a box of parts from a clock-radio.

 

[Reverend]

I had that thought, but I'm not sure the repellent device was anything but a red herring to hide his real plan to blow up the truck. I mean, apparently he never intended to get close enough to the Shrike to need the repellent.

This tactic wouldn't have worked on previous runs as he said this is the first time they've actually gotten out ahead of her. Which also tracks with her previous ship and crew being lost, hence the delay in getting to Earth.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

We went from slow build-up to hyperspeed infodump and a major collision course, leading to a well-timed cliffhanger! Unfortunately, I won't be able to see the conclusion until several days later because I'll be at the beach for a family reunion (yeah, I know, woo is me).

I'm not surprised the show kept it simple and Izel turned out to the beast after all. Nor am I surprised Sarge was still lying to the very last moment, even if we did get some actual real answers at the same time. It's cool things are beginning to come together with this season's events along with the Chronicoms, the Monoliths, and the fear dimension. I suspect Reverend is right on the money about Sarge's origins.

His bomb wouldn't work very well if the truck got stabbed through with crystal knives before it got close to the tower, and Deke is a doofus, but I figure he knows enough about mechanics to know whether or not he's just been handed a box of parts from a clock-radio.

Nah, he's still a complete idiot and utterly useless. I know it won't happen but he needs to fuck off already. This whole season has been terrific except for him.

 

[Christopher]

Unfortunately, I won't be able to see the conclusion until several days later because I'll be at the beach for a family reunion (yeah, I know, woo is me).

Oh, and I'll be at Shore Leave. Hm.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Stupid real life getting in the way of our television viewing needs!

 

[JD]

So she escaped from a fear dimension...like the one they blew a hole into last season when the three monoliths were destroyed? I'm sure that's totally a coincidence...

Oh, nice catch, I didn't even think of that.

So far my theory that Sarge might have been "created" when Coulson got too close to that thing seems to be holding up (the time discrepancy isn't much of a problem given the white monolith was part of that whole thing.)

That could definitely work.

So, when Sarge went on about his Shrike repellent device works my emitting sonic frequencies, did anyone leap to the conclusion that Daisy is going to wind up using her power to mimic that effect at some point?

That was my first thought too.

So it turns out the people predicting Izell was the beast were right. The back and forth with her and Sarge does raise some question about how much of what we've been getting from Sarge is the truth. I was starting to wonder if it was going to turn out Sarge and co. really are the bad guys, but I think we pretty solidly landed on Izell as the bad guy once she started using Shrikes to take over the ship's crew.
It was nice to finally get some answers about what is going on with the two of them. Hopefully everything else will be explained next week.
Deke and Snowflake hooking up was unexpected.
Snowflake being in so much of this also kind of got me wondering what Brooke Williams is really like, because her character on 12 Monkey was also kind of violent and unstable, though not quite at the same level as Snowflake.
Poor Fitz, it's got to be weird for him hearing Simmons talk about her marriage to the version of him that ended up in the future with them.
YoYo taking out Pax and the big guy was a pretty nice badass moment for her.
That was one hell of a cliffhanger.

 

[Christopher]

I was starting to wonder if it was going to turn out Sarge and co. really are the bad guys, but I think we pretty solidly landed on Izell as the bad guy once she started using Shrikes to take over the ship's crew.

No reason they can't both be bad guys. There are plenty of conflicts where both sides are in the wrong.

Snowflake being in so much of this also kind of got me wondering what Brooke Williams is really like, because her character on 12 Monkey was also kind of violent and unstable, though not quite at the same level as Snowflake.

I would say she's like someone who has a skill for playing violent and unstable characters. That's all you can really say. If anything, in my experience, the actors best known for playing villains and monsters are usually the ones who get described by their colleagues as the nicest, sweetest people around.

 

[JD]

I know, I was just joking. I've noticed that about actors too, one of the best example I know of is the fact that Daniel Radcliffe, who played Harry Potter, and Tom Felton, who played Draco Malfoy, were actually really, really good friends while they were doing the Harry Potter movies.

 

[David cgc]

No reason they can't both be bad guys. There are plenty of conflicts where both sides are in the wrong.

I was saying over on the AV Club that, while Izel and the Shrikes have demonstrated a horrifically monstrous disregard for human life so far, it's not like Sarge and company don't also murder tons of people at a drop of a hat, so as far as I'm concerned, it's still up in the air which of them would end up being, while not the "good guy," the "less inimical to the survival of life on Earth guy."

I would say she's like someone who has a skill for playing violent and unstable characters. That's all you can really say. If anything, in my experience, the actors best known for playing villains and monsters are usually the ones who get described by their colleagues as the nicest, sweetest people around.

I remember thinking a highlight of "The Cape" was that it was the first time I saw Summer Glau play a role where she could spend more than sixty seconds speaking in a normal, conversational tone of voice that wasn't the least bit checked-out or robotic.

 

[Christopher]

I was saying over on the AV Club that, while Izel and the Shrikes have demonstrated a horrifically monstrous disregard for human life so far, it's not like Sarge and company don't also murder tons of people at a drop of a hat, so as far as I'm concerned, it's still up in the air which of them would end up being, while not the "good guy," the "less inimical to the survival of life on Earth guy."

Sarge seemed to make it pretty clear here that he's motivated by revenge on Izel rather than anything altruistic or protective.

On the other hand, looking at it metatextually, they're not gonna write Clark Gregg out of the show permanently, right? So this arc is presumably going to end up with Sarge still on Earth and stuck with the SHIELD team, one way or the other. Which argues against him being permanently a baddie. Well, unless they try to go the Grant Ward route and keep him around as the regular villain.

 

[David cgc]

On the other hand, looking at it metatextually, they're not gonna write Clark Gregg out of the show permanently, right? So this arc is presumably going to end up with Sarge still on Earth and stuck with the SHIELD team, one way or the other. Which argues against him being permanently a baddie. Well, unless they try to go the Grant Ward route and keep him around as the regular villain.

I say, shove Sarge into the evil season one mind-reading machine (recently re-seeded in audiences' minds in the FitzSimmons Mind-Prison Episode, so they might well be planning to do something with it) and Coulson-ify him that way.

But, you know, with kindness and the highest ethical standards, not just brainwashing a jerk to replace their personality with one other people find more palatable for fun. I'm sure team SHIELD will have a good Watsonian reason for it if that's what they ended up doing.

 

[Christopher]

I say, shove Sarge into the evil season one mind-reading machine (recently re-seeded in audiences' minds in the FitzSimmons Mind-Prison Episode, so they might well be planning to do something with it) and Coulson-ify him that way.

But, you know, with kindness and the highest ethical standards, not just brainwashing a jerk to replace their personality with one other people find more palatable for fun. I'm sure team SHIELD will have a good Watsonian reason for it if that's what they ended up doing.

It would be a waste, a cheat, and a disservice to Clark Gregg if they just reset him to the old familiar Coulson rather than letting him and the writers continue to develop this new character and discover new facets to him.

I think there's a lot of story potential in Sarge sticking around. What are the mysteries of his past that he's refusing to talk about? Once his mission of vengeance is done, what's left for him? Maybe seeking a new purpose would give him a reason to ask questions about his origins that he's ignored up to now -- including questions about this Coulson guy that he's somehow connected to, which would keep Coulson around as a presence after a fashion. Plus there's the whole "stranger in a strange land" thing, an outsider trying to get a handle on Earth life and culture. (Though it's weird that he doesn't know what miles or hackers or diamonds are but otherwise speaks fluent colloquial American English.)

 

[StCoop]

So to be clear, whatever universe AOS is taking place in, it's not one with The Avengers or any other superheroes in it. Real world reasons aside, they had 17 hours to get help from when Sarge set out and clearly don't have anyone to call.