He offered the company ORDER! His were the superior memos!
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He offered the company ORDER! His were the superior memos!
I'd rather watch TNG films than TOS films. There's more to Picard than even Spock. While the stories are dramatic and literate, I find more to chew in TNG films. Spock is brought back to life and little is done to explore it, beyond Spock accepting his more human instincts, and being thankful of being saved. From IV-VI, very little changes, in terms of character development.
Disagree, but man do I enjoy reading "unpopular" Trek opinions! This is a great thread!
Upopular opinion: Patrick Stewart in the role of Shinzon (re-written slightly to advance the age of the character) could have saved Nemesis and possibly the TNG film franchise. That would have been a delicious role for Stewart. Tom Hardy in that role was cringeworthy (not in a good way) IMO - and I'm talking specifically about the performance, not the writing.
I’d rather have watched GOOD TNG films than TOS ones. They just didn’t really give us any. Or, one.
Nemesis needed more than Stewart to be salvaged. It needed a near total rewrite.
Nemesis needed more than Stewart to be salvaged. It needed a near total rewrite.
Unpopular Opinion: The Nexus in Generations is pure nonsense. If starships are destroyed when they get to the Nexus then people in their everyday clothes should be too. If the Nexus has a particular aversion for starships then why not go there in an EV suit? I mean the situation is so contrived, it's pathetic. First Guinan says that the Nexus gives you the thing you want the most, well, to Picard AND Kirk, that would mean being on the bridge of a starship otherwise you'd think they would have done otherwise in real life!!! Kirk had plenty of occasions to retire but he refused them all so why would the Nexus give him something he always refused? Well, there are tons of other objections but these are already enough.
Not sure how unpopular of an opinion this is, but I am curious to hear whether people prefer the black registry lettering of the TMP era or the blue registry lettering of the TNG era. I prefer the look of the blue, personally.
(And I doubt this is hardly an unpopular opinion, but man do I wish Discovery had stuck with the original USAF-derived lettering seen in TOS and ENT, they still had it on the ships as late as that first trailer with actual footage in it and I think it's present on some of the Eaglemoss models, dunno what happened that made them change it out so late)
(And I doubt this is hardly an unpopular opinion, but man do I wish Discovery had stuck with the original USAF-derived lettering seen in TOS and ENT, they still had it on the ships as late as that first trailer with actual footage in it and I think it's present on some of the Eaglemoss models, dunno what happened that made them change it out so late)
Agree
I never really understood what the Nexus was all about
I also thought Kirk's death was an insult to the character and even the Shat himself
It makes way more sense for Picard to get his family fantasy than for Kirk - unless it was with Carol and David ,which would have continued and closed the arc from the trilogy. (Valeris should have been Saavik, period - again the perfect wrap up to the series of movies' arc.)
It is a damn shame on so many levels that Kirk's Nexus fantasy was not the Bridge of the Enterprise during a standard mission with his best friends around him. They wanted a crossover movie, and wasted every bit of potential of any cool crossover scenes.
Same here. The Nexus is super confusing as a concept. Maybe it is meant as a dream state and someone can snapped themselves out of it?
Unpopular Opinion: After Generations, it should have been a TOS/TNG shared big screen universe. Any combination of characters could have been put together to make fun epic movies. The movie should have ended with Kirk alive and well in the 24th century - a place where Scotty and Spock are known to be alive as well.
Am I really the only person that would have loved to see Admiral (yes, they could promote him again after TUC) Kirk pull rank on Picard or Riker (TMP style) and take the bridge of the D or E? I'd love to see Shatner interact with the TNG crew. To go fight Picard/Locutus in the 2nd movie. I'm making this up as I go along, but damn it could have been epic.
Am I really the only person that would have loved to see Admiral (yes, they could promote him again after TUC) Kirk pull rank on Picard or Riker (TMP style) and take the bridge of the D or E? I'd love to see Shatner interact with the TNG crew. To go fight Picard/Locutus in the 2nd movie. I'm making this up as I go along, but damn it could have been epic.
Same here. The Nexus is super confusing as a concept. Maybe it is meant as a dream state and someone can snapped themselves out of it?
I remember thinking, "So what's so scary about this thing, what's going on ?"
Before I nodded off, pissed off that they had killed Kirk.
Malcolm McDowell had cool hair though
Disagree. Wholeheartedly. The TOS films are far and away superior to the TNG films. In fact, I find the TNG films to be massively disposable. They are essentially average 2-part television episodes. Some are below average. Insurrection is less engaging and meaty than 3/4 of the one hour episodes of the series, for example.
The idea that Picard is a better character than Spock is....ummmm.....no.
Disagree.
Kirk gave up an eternity in paradise to save 230,000,000 people who will never know he even existed.
That’s pretty damn heroic.
I'm not picking specifically on you, just explaining the Nexus, from where I stand. Picard is receiving a cautionary tale because Robert and Rene have died. He will face the Borg, again, and he has lost his roots to return home. This stirs his feelings over the last Borg incident. So, here is the reasons for the Nexus, what we see, and Soran's obsession, with it.
Data is overwhelmed with emotion:
"Sir, I no longer want these emotions! Deactivating me is the only viable solution!" Until Picard lectures Data, he mopes around the Enterprise, neglecting his duty as Captain. "Just do it!"
Picard is feeling his age, his legacy, his life without becoming an explorer. What he could've done, without the Enterprise.
Soran introduces nihilism as a member of Picard's select company of being damaged, by the Borg. He is as much a cautionary, dark version of reality of Picard, as Shinzon of Remus. They do speak through the action here. Picard is not only absent from the Enterprise during its final mission, but it is destroyed, before entering the Nexus. This is what Picard wants--who he would be without the Enterprise, Starfleet, his damage at the hands of the Borg.
Kirk is the older version of Picard, a Starfleet officer conflicted between family, and the mission. He is another cautionary tale, as are Data and Soran. But, the risk informs the reality Soran, a dark Guinan, never understands. This makes this less heaven and more drug. It tethers Picard to reality, as well as Kirk.
The Nexus is a device to show Picard's life without the stars, looking to them, and dreaming of new worlds. There is heavy symbolism in this movie, and this being my third favorite, makes my point about TNG movies.
There is richness in this writing.
Not to be lame and respond to myself, but how fun would a buddy-movie side-plot have been with Spock and Data off on a solo quest of some sort together? I'm not sure how Deforest's health was at the time, but I'm sure no one would have minded a hand-waved miracle treatment that left McCoy de-aged a bit. Alternatively, bring back Pulaski. The banter in general would have been classic.
Point being, the transition didn't need to be as complete and permanent as it was. Shatner and Nimoy deserved more. They had been making movies for over a decade, while TNG was just a regular TV show the year before. The split in the movies basically marks the beginning of an entirely new franchise. I don't know any other big budget movie series that was ended so abruptly, for such unproven reasons, with such finality. The scope of the movies needed to be shooting for bigger, better, more epic scope, and the best way to do that would have been to embrace what was already there. They let way too many TV people stay involved, when it needed proper cinematic vision.
Nemesis needed a rewrite?
Fulsome. Alacrity. Words added to the vernacular.
It creates a dark mirror for Picard, a mirror strong enough to cause him to freeze, destroying the Enterprise before Data saves the day, and sacrifices himself.
Picard/Shinzon characteristics:
--Ambitous; embracing his lineage; successful.
"Captain of the Enterprise, you say?"
"He is a capable commander. He fought 12 engagements in the war; all successful."
"The Praetor's power has always been the Romulan fleet."
"I can't live out my days as that person! That man is bereft of passion, imagination! That is not who I am!"
"The Picard who fought at Trafalgar. The Picard who settled the first Martian colonies."
"Were we Picards always warriors?"
"What am I while you exist? A shadow? An echo?"
"I need to know where the hell he came from!"
"And my voice shall echo through time long after yours has faded to a dim memory!"
--Dreamer who looks to the stars; curious; intelligent.
"But I spent my youth looking up at the stars, dreaming about what was up there. About--
New worlds"
"You are me! The same Noble Picard blood runs through our veins. Had you lived my life you'd be doing exactly as I am! So, look in the mirror and see yourself!"
"Shinzon? I'm a mirror for you, as well."
--Searching for family.
"And in that dark place, where there was nothing, but myself...I found my Reman brothers."
"Wil Riker, you have been my trusted right arm for fifteen years. You have kept my course true, and steady. Deanna Troi, you have been my guide, and my conscience...You are my family."
--Damaged by what he found in the stars.
"It's not a person, damnit, it's a Borg!"
"You are not a woman! You are a Romulan."
What needs to be re-written?
Thanks for all that my friend
But I still haven't a clue what the Nexus was all about
And I'm never likely to, because I've no plans to watch the film again.
Shinzon is a dark mirror for Picard, but apparently Picard's shadow self is a cheesy B movie mustache-twirl villain who was inadvisedly styled after Nosferatu.
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