CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar 2 - Electric Boogaloo-Fanboys gone WILD-too many hyphens

That's for sure, which is why trying make a film costing tens of thousands as your first with no experience is a recipe for at best mediocrity and at worst a trainwreck.

 

The thing is, SL isn't doing this for fun, he's doing it for ... the world may never know. It certainly isn't for profit, because we know how well that worked for AP. He must be doing it for fame. Because, as we've seen with the Kardashians, fame can make you rich "beyond the dreams of avarice."

SL has hitched his wagon to AP's weird star trip thing. So, SLAP continues ...

 

Oh, Lane wants to play at being Alex Peters. That's pretty obvious. Perhaps odious as well, but I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and say he just wants to be yet another Trekkie gone-filmmaker.

 

With regards to uniforms, it's because it would be a horrific mismatch of colors and fabrics, none of which would fit properly. He'd be better off buying yellow, red and blue t-shirts from Micheal's and hot gluing on insignias he printed with his home computer.

The fan film guidelines allow $50,000 for crowdfunding. Assuming two 15-minute segments, that's $1,666.66 per minute. So you're actually being quite a bit harsher than CBS.

 

Yes, but you don't NEED that kind of money.

 

Actually I'd be a lot "harsher" than CBS with zero social funding but I'd allow for a donate button if you liked what you saw and want to help to make more. Problem is that I'm not CBS, don't even own a lot of their stock so it's not up to me and never will be.

 

Provided said group of Trekkers get along wanting to go a step further by doing a fan film then they should buy their own individual uniforms from the same source or buy bolts of fabric and learn to sew.

I have several hobbies and I don't expect nor ask anyone to fund them.

 

The problem with that is that could be seen as paying to watch the film, which sets its own bad precedents.

 

So rather than have people donate money, your solution is to have volunteers donate an equivalent value in labor? And they'd still spend money on supplies and equipment to do the sewing. I don't see how that's any better. You still have people working to make costumes. It's just that the people contributing money are doing it indirectly, where as the sewing volunteers are giving up their free time and effort (and probably still some money). What would you value their time at? How much do you think that time is worth to them?

Then again, I suppose you don't consider the film's crowdfunding patrons part of the "group of Trekkers".

But you do expect to see the fruits of their hobby for free on YouTube, right?

 

Anything is possible, once you involve money someone is going to milk the system until it breaks.

 

Your posts seems to assume I'm financially obligated for someone else's playtime. It's not my fiscal responsibility at all. The burden is on the people who want to play trek, not on me. They can invest their own time and money and I hope they have fun doing that.

 

Note the forest around that tree there.

The crowdfunding model is not the same thing as people volunteering time and effort. People volunteering time, energy and materials to make something doesn't necessarily profit the project runners and actually gets the film made (in theory). Crowdfunding opens a spigot with no actual accountability for how the money is spent. I've seen this happen with fan productions even before Axanar. The latter is simply more easily misused and problematic than the former.

 

Actually, no. If it ends up free on YouTube and its good I'll consider that a nice surprise, but I have no reason to expect it to be there unless the people making it go out of their way to announce "It's gonna be on YouTube!"

What I do expect is for grown people who want to play dress-up in front of a camera to finance it themselves. Again, we're talking about a hobby. If they want to make it a profession - i.e. "get paid" - then they should go out and look for jobs that will pay them for whatever work they applied to the fan film.

"But CBS and Paramount won't pay me to make Star Trek films." News flash: they don't have to, and neither does anybody else.

 

Don't think this was posted here before, but Alec Peters posted this last week outlining what RMB did and not return:
https://axanarproductions.com/rob-burnett-holding-axanar-footage-hostage/

And according to him, in relation to the case:

 

So the excuse for the next deadline slip will be: "I spent the money suing RMB to get my effects shots back...and I lost, so I have to make more effects shots, so give me more money."

 

Yep, sounds about right to me.

 

I`ve noticed a couple of YouTube videos with Axanar FX footage I`ve never seen before (sorry, not really keeping up with all the goings on over the last few years) but is Tobias Richter still involved with this project in any way?
(By far the saddest byproduct by the Trek fanfilm meltdown is the near total absence of Tobias`s FX work )

 

You can opt out of monetization, and if Axanything ever gets on YouTube they'd damned well better not have monetization enabled. It's shut off on Exeter's TTI, for instance. You do see ads on Exeter's "The Savage Empire" and some other fanfilms, but that's because those film feature unlicensed music and YouTube automatically places ads and sends the revenue to the music rights holders, not the fanfilm makers.