The BORG, and the Lost potential

[publiusr]

LMAO!!!! Not sure if Trekkers could bare that re-introduction to SF's modern nightmare species.

If you think about it, Pinhead and the Borg Queen would be a nice power couple. Or her and Davros for that matter.

She gets booted out of the main collective, meets up with some strays, and really gets mean. I could see her as a lot like Seven's parents, but studying insectoids or Binars, and using that knowledge to stay independant

Now, I seem to remember that Data and Picard were both going to be captured--and form a construct..back to back. I did see something like that in a Marvel comic....

 

[Arpy]

How were the Borg related to the Consp. Aliens?

 

[Prax]

I think the neutral zone storyline was originally going to be part of the conspiracy storyline but were separated

 

[Discofan]

They should have redesigned the borg like they did the Klingons.

 

[Arpy]

They should have redesigned the borg like they did the Klingons.

They kind of did with FC, but they could really go further. In William Shatner’s novel The Return, there are Borg that are cybernetic mashes of multiple former individuals. One was a humanoid with two other headless humanoids connected like a train behind it, I think I remember, and another was an assimilated dog. The Borg could be even more nightmarish like that — hack-jobs of electronic and biological parts, assembled as needed. Parts of the ships could include weaved walls of skin and nerves maybe.

And I’d love to see more non-humanoids of, like of countless varieties.

 

[Ghost]

Ugh, I know the Borg are sort of body horror but I honestly don't think the Borg should be Frankenstein like things, the human centipede, or something from Hellraiser (though I guess the Borg do look like they have something in common with cenobites).

Pass

 

[DonIago]

I agree. If you accept that the Borg really believe they are trying to improve themselves, and that they only assimilate those they feel have something to contribute to the Collective, then...why?

 

[Discofan]

I agree. If you accept that the Borg really believe they are trying to improve themselves, and that they only assimilate those they feel have something to contribute to the Collective, then...why?

Well, dogs have a heightened sense of smell, estimated at several million times more accurate than ours. They definitely have something to contribute. If we had the sight of an eagle we could read a newspaper at a hundred meters of distance!!! The hearing of a bat is so developed that it uses it as a sonar, allowing it to fly in caves without crashing into anything. Maybe the borg could use these things.

 

[Arpy]

They’re trying to improve themselves by devouring the universe?

Once your part of the Collective, you’re just parts of the whole. The Queen was little more than a head and shoulders linking into other equipment.

 

[Discofan]

They’re trying to improve themselves by devouring the universe?

Once your part of the Collective, you’re just parts of the whole. The Queen was little more than a head and shoulders linking into other equipment.

I wonder why they kept the shoulders. They are only useful if connected to arms, otherwise, they could have just limited themselves to the head with a mechanical neck and a robot body below.

 

[Arpy]

I don’t see the Borg like the cenobites really — they’re specifically about sublime pain or something. The Borg I think are just about cognition on some meta level. They’re this gigantic hive mind and god knows what they’re thinking or working towards.

 

[Discofan]

I don’t see the Borg like the cenobites really — they’re specifically about sublime pain or something. The Borg I think are just about cognition on some meta level. They’re this gigantic hive mind and god knows what they’re thinking or working towards.

Well, it depends, they used to be this giant collective mind with this choir-like collective voice. Now they're just a bunch of unthinking drones with a hysterical bitch on top!!! Two radically different things.

 

[Arpy]

I think the longer you are in the Collective, the less of you is likely to remain intact.

At the same time, as Seven said, your memories are immortal in the hive mind, infinitesimal as their influence is, even after the loss of your body. ...it’s actually kind of creepy...maybe your brain was lost but a copy of your memories remain, as does some of your skin on the side of a corridor to observe environmental conditions.

 

[DonIago]

Well, dogs have a heightened sense of smell, estimated at several million times more accurate than ours. They definitely have something to contribute. If we had the sight of an eagle we could read a newspaper at a hundred meters of distance!!! The hearing of a bat is so developed that it uses it as a sonar, allowing it to fly in caves without crashing into anything. Maybe the borg could use these things.

I guess the question then is whether the Borg have ever had any actual need to be able to do these things.

 

[Farscape One]

Considering how technology is ongrained into their being, I don't think they value heightened senses, since sensors do that job.

 

[Ghost]

I don’t see the Borg like the cenobites really — they’re specifically about sublime pain or something. The Borg I think are just about cognition on some meta level. They’re this gigantic hive mind and god knows what they’re thinking or working towards.

I meant in appearance, the mutilating or body horror and not so much behavior.

I think the longer you are in the Collective, the less of you is likely to remain intact.

At the same time, as Seven said, your memories are immortal in the hive mind, infinitesimal as their influence is, even after the loss of your body. ...it’s actually kind of creepy...maybe your brain was lost but a copy of your memories remain, as does some of your skin on the side of a corridor to observe environmental conditions.

Well we do know that being part of the Collective can very "addicting" the longer an individual remains part of it to the point that it wishes to return to the Collective when separated from it.

Reminds me of an idea I had for a Star Trek story. A brilliant scientist had created a Borg-Iconian hybrid drone with the intention of using it to travel to Borg space to find his assimilated daughter and forced my main characters along for the ride.

When they arrive at the Borg homeworld the characters learn that the daughter was "terminated" or expired during the assimilation of a species but that her memories live on in the Collective.
My main character makes the hybrid drone "download" the personality into itself, making it mentally a duplicate of the dead daughter.

 

[STEPhon IT]

I'm wondering if the Borg as a species is more like the Voyager 1 and 2 satellites; simply to seek out the rest of space and keep going and going, never to go back to the Delta Quadrant again? Thoughts?

 

[Arpy]

I guess I think of the Borg as spreading out indefinitely, but I do think a lot of sci-fi is too homeworld focused. It’d be interesting to see a species that completely takes apart its homeworld for resources and isn’t sentimental about it. Maybe they take their ecosystem with them to other planets or their ships. Or maybe they dismantle it into a ring world or Dysonsphere or something.

 

[Ghost]

Heh the Hirogen did not have a homeworld (any more). They did not dismantle their homeworld for resources (no details about what happened to it) but they did not care much for it either.

 

[darrenjl]

I think the longer you are in the Collective, the less of you is likely to remain intact.

At the same time, as Seven said, your memories are immortal in the hive mind, infinitesimal as their influence is, even after the loss of your body. ...it’s actually kind of creepy...maybe your brain was lost but a copy of your memories remain, as does some of your skin on the side of a corridor to observe environmental conditions.

Interesting take. If you took this to its logical conclusion the Borg ships themselves would be made of centuries old Borg corpses, or at least the metallic elements once the bio-components had rotted away.