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There's a gap of almost 30 years between Galaxy's Child and All Good Things... that's more than enough time for them to let things slide and start over. I don't think that just because you get in a relationship with someone you automatically stop thinking that those cringy moments are cringy. Maybe at the beginning, before the rose-colored glasses come off. But I think even during the rosy phase it was more like a tacit agreement between the two not to discuss the holoprogram, ever.

Unless he had sex with the hologram, which I don't believe he did, I don't see that as such a big deal. He liked her and kinda liked the idea that she liked him back. What's so wrong about that? If anything it's rather flattering.
 
I just come from a culture that doesn't make such a big deal about talking about these matters. My so-called "broadsweeping stereotypical judgments based on my poorly communicated and illogically formed thoughts" ... (if that isn't a mouthful then nothing is) were about the way we treat nakedness in our movies.

When was the last time that a large audience American movie, showed a woman walking naked from her bedroom to the bathroom without regard to what part of her body appeared briefly here and there?
"Briefly" Censoring would require cropping out only nipples or genitals, anything else that could be shown to imply full nudity is fair game. And modern films that want to keep the PG13 rating and still show nudity have become quite proficient in getting camera angles to make sure the audience knows that the actor is completely nude regardless of what is actually shown.
 
As an American male, I saw no issue with Milla Jovovich’s breast size. Could it have been they thought she was the best actor for the part?

I never said that she wasn't the best actor for the part. for one thing, it wasn't such a great part anyway. I was talking about the fact that people are shocked when they see briefly a woman's breasts. I assume they'd be less shocked if those breasts weren't developed. Hell, I am shocked when I see man boobs, yet those are not censored!!! What's up with that?
 
The Seinfeld episode where Jerry's girlfriend likes to go naked inside his apartment got away with a surprising amount of female skin for a sitcom episode shot in the mid-to-late '90s. There were camera angles that were executed so well you could forget the actress was wearing a cover or a partial body suit.
 
I never said that she wasn't the best actor for the part. for one thing, it wasn't such a great part anyway. I was talking about the fact that people are shocked when they see briefly a woman's breasts. I assume they'd be less shocked if those breasts weren't developed. Hell, I am shocked when I see man boobs, yet those are not censored!!! What's up with that?

Who exactly is shocked? America isn’t exactly puritanical, especially the people who espouse such views.
 
I never said that she wasn't the best actor for the part. for one thing, it wasn't such a great part anyway. I was talking about the fact that people are shocked when they see briefly a woman's breasts. I assume they'd be less shocked if those breasts weren't developed. Hell, I am shocked when I see man boobs, yet those are not censored!!! What's up with that?
I haven't been hooked up to the mammary-consternation-o-tron but I am pretty sure I'm always glad to see them in a movie regardless of their distortion of local spacetime.
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Can you stop saying less developed? Seriously, once someone is fully grown, they're developed.

DNA, diet and gravity. To quote Death from Discworld "It's all a matter of glands"

I like this thread. I don't want it to become a BUST
 
"Briefly" Censoring would require cropping out only nipples or genitals, anything else that could be shown to imply full nudity is fair game. And modern films that want to keep the PG13 rating and still show nudity have become quite proficient in getting camera angles to make sure the audience knows that the actor is completely nude regardless of what is actually shown.

But my point is that in a normal movie, there shouldn't be any of this tedious gymnastic. When I was about ten, I went to a naturist camp once (more than once actually). It didn't scar me for life!!

Let's just say "to each his own" at this point and talk about something else. It's the first time in my life that I find a discussion about nakedness to be tearingly boring.
 
Ensign Mayweather needs to be in on this conversation. He has third hand experience. There, back to cringe moments.

Yeah, I definitely find Mayweather cringy. I mean going to the gym when you should be chatting up a beautiful woman instead. THAT'S CRINGY!!!
 
Unless he had sex with the hologram, which I don't believe he did, I don't see that as such a big deal. He liked her and kinda liked the idea that she liked him back. What's so wrong about that? If anything it's rather flattering.
I just find the whole thing creepy as hell. If I found out that someone accessed my logs to extrapolate my personality for a holographic likeness that they regularly roleplayed with, I sure as hell wouldn't care whether they got intimate or not. It's like as if I stalked the facebook/instagram of that girl in my job who I like so that I could write accurate fan fiction of her or give more fitting personality traits for The Sims character based on her that the character based on me is living in a virtual relationship with. Hella creepy, but at the very least extremely cringy and awkward. Something that a desperate, lovesick teenager might do that they eventually grow out of, but Geordi was 32 when he did that.

Granted, his motives to create the program weren't creepy, as he just wanted to find a way to neutralize the Aceton assimilators draining the ship's power, but he should've had the presence of mind to delete the program as soon as he realized he was developing feelings for it.
 
I just find the whole thing creepy as hell. If I found out that someone accessed my logs to extrapolate my personality for a holographic likeness that they regularly roleplayed with, I sure as hell wouldn't care whether they got intimate or not. It's like as if I stalked the facebook/instagram of that girl in my job who I like so that I could write accurate fan fiction of her or give more fitting personality traits for The Sims character based on her that the character based on me is living in a virtual relationship with. Hella creepy, but at the very least extremely cringy and awkward. Something that a desperate, lovesick teenager might do that they eventually grow out of, but Geordi was 32 when he did that.

Granted, his motives to create the program weren't creepy, as he just wanted to find a way to neutralize the Aceton assimilators draining the ship's power, but he should've had the presence of mind to delete the program as soon as he realized he was developing feelings for it.

Well, we obviously have different views on the thing. I guess in the future you'll have random people generator programs so that even if the people seem real they won't have a real counterpart. That way you avoid all the problems with people suing you for all kinds of stuff. I bet we would still have people saying: "hey, this hologram kinda looks like me, I feel violated!! Anything to get a buck!!!
 
I never got the impression that he visited Holo-Leah Brahams. after the episode. Even at the end of that episode he basically says goodbye to her and shuts off the program. Granted not deleted but seeing as how nothing sexual happened or that he had any plans to re-visit I can see why he didn't go that extra length. I don't even think he ever even expected to meet her in real life. When the chance happens he of course gets excited because he thinks she might be like her hologram at which point he learns the lesson about expectations.

Jason
 
I believe it has the distinction of the only book to mention the contents of Kirk's pants.
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I could have safely finished my entire life without seeing that.
 
No, I never said that. And no it doesn't make sense. I'd hate to be judged in an American tribunal, people would just assume a lot of things NOT included in what I said. That's the cultural shock I was talking about.

What I am saying is that in a French movie destined to a French audience, we wouldn't bother if her breasts or even her naked butt were seen in a scene. There plenty of French movies where you see what you people call "full frontal nudity" and they're not even restricted because it's just natural. I mean when someone is at home with his/her lover they don't bother keeping a sheet up to their neck all the time, that's just ridiculous. If people act like it's real life they don't do THAT!!

My second comment is that even if you're shocked by briefly seeing a woman's breasts when it's a natural part of the story then you should be less shocked by those of Milla Jovovich who aren't very developed, if at all.
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French people don't walk around with their lover with the sheet pulled up to their neck, but this American sure does. :guffaw::guffaw::guffaw:
I should have been a Puritain or a nun.
 
Well, we obviously have different views on the thing. I guess in the future you'll have random people generator programs so that even if the people seem real they won't have a real counterpart. That way you avoid all the problems with people suing you for all kinds of stuff. I bet we would still have people saying: "hey, this hologram kinda looks like me, I feel violated!! Anything to get a buck!!!
The problem wasn't that he used her likeness though, it was that he literally had the computer analyze her logs so that it could generate a good enough approximation of her personality as well. I intentionally didn't raise any questions regarding the legality of the Brahms program, as I'm no legal expert and there's no clear-cut analogue for it. But even if it's legal, it's still creepy and awkward in my eyes.

I mean, writing romantic fan fiction of Daenerys Targaryen and a self-insert character based on yourself is kind-of run-of-the-mill for fan fiction. But if Emilia Clarke were to read a romantic fanfic about her and a character obviously based on myself, I'd be very surprised if her first reaction wasn't "What the f*** is wrong with you?" and slowly backing away.
 
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