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It's worth pointing out that Betazoids don't have nudity taboos. Just wait until they introduced one on one of their CBS-AA series' where they don't have to confirm to TV standards
Isn't that enough?
It's worth pointing out that Betazoids don't have nudity taboos. Just wait until they introduced one on one of their CBS-AA series' where they don't have to confirm to TV standards
Never gonna happen... It's America, not Europe. I am not kidding, we had to tone down our nudity so that some of our programs could be exportable. Take Luc Besson's "Fifth Element" for example, you can tell by the way some scenes are filmed that it's been tailored for an American audience. Plus Milla Jovovich is practically breastless...
We saw Klingon boobs (albeit briefly) in Disco S1. And streaming is a different set of rules to broadcast.
Well, it's plastic boobs and from another species. I live in the countryside. We don't put blindfolds on children whenever they walk by a cow (you know with her udders all visible and all that).
To explain further: Ever seen these plastic conspicuously false breasts that people put on in Carnivals and things like that? To me, that's basically the same thing.
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I've always loved a good bit of cringe comedy, the one that makes you hum the Curb Your Enthusiasm theme, like the "I look forward to your report, Mr. Broccoli" scene and others. But when we're talking about genuinely cringing, it can go two ways with me:
First, there's the personal cringe borne of second-hand embarrassment, where I can absolutely picture myself in that situation:
And then there's when something production-related makes me cringe:
First, there's the personal cringe borne of second-hand embarrassment, where I can absolutely picture myself in that situation:
- All of Geordi's attempts at dating (but especially Leah Brahms. Oh boy)
- The EMH asking Dr. Pel out right as he's performing surgery on her (VOY: Lifesigns)
- When Bashir tries to impress Kira with his knowledge about Bajoran culture and ends up sounding like a condescending know-it-all (DS9: Crossover)
And then there's when something production-related makes me cringe:
- Profit and Lace. The whole episode. Who on Earth thought that was a good idea?
- A Night in Sickbay. Same question, for different reasons.
- Barclay's holoprograms in Hollow Pursuits. I admit, it's mostly caused by the episode not having aged really well, but in the age of deepfakes I just can't look at the Goddess of Empathy the same way anymore.
- And of course all those horrible episodes from early TNG that others have listed before: Code of Honor, Angel One, The Outrageous Okona, etc. I always hated when a TNG weekend morning rerun was started from the beginning because it meant three months of having to cringe through the first two seasons all over again (with 2-2 episodes every Saturday and Sunday morning).
Didn't' he marry her in "All Good Things..."?
Wait, so you (insultingly) think the only reason Milla Jovovich was hired for the job is on account of having smaller breasts in order to make the film more presentable for an American audience (because American films and TV never have breasts in them), instead of just, you know, not showing her breasts in the film? And that logic makes sense to you?
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No, I never said that. And no it doesn't make sense. I'd hate to be judged in an American tribunal, people would just assume a lot of things NOT included in what I said. That's the cultural shock I was talking about.
What I am saying is that in a French movie destined to a French audience, we wouldn't bother if her breasts or even her naked butt were seen in a scene. There plenty of French movies where you see what you people call "full frontal nudity" and they're not even restricted because it's just natural. I mean when someone is at home with his/her lover they don't bother keeping a sheet up to their neck all the time, that's just ridiculous. If people act like it's real life they don't do THAT!!
My second comment is that even if you're shocked by briefly seeing a woman's breasts when it's a natural part of the story then you should be less shocked by those of Milla Jovovich who aren't very developed, if at all.
That doesn't make what we see him do on screen during Booby Trap and Galaxy's Child any less cringeworthy for me. Not to mention it was only in Q's anti-time future anyway. I don't think it counts.
But assuming he eventually marries her then doesn't that mean that she didn't think these moments were all that cringy? And that she saw them as the awkwardness of someone who's not smooth with the ladies, something smart women are wary of. The smoothness I mean.
What was even the point of bringing up her breast size if it was not tied to the comment immediately preceding it about the nudity in the film being tailored to an American audience? There's no tribunal here, but I can see that there's a problem with you making broadsweeping stereotypical judgments based on your poorly communicated and illogically formed thoughts. Not to mention sexist and ignorant comments about breast development and size in adult women.
I'm sure you'll just keep doubling-down on this though, and I don't want to derail the thread any further, so you get the last word in.
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I just come from a culture that doesn't make such a big deal about talking about these matters. My so-called "broadsweeping stereotypical judgments based on my poorly communicated and illogically formed thoughts" ... (if that isn't a mouthful then nothing is) were about the way we treat nakedness in our movies.
When was the last time that a large audience American movie, showed a woman walking naked from her bedroom to the bathroom without regard to what part of her body appeared briefly here and there?
The chick with three boobs from the original Total Recall was played by the same actress who portrayed Ensign Sonya Gomez on TNG. Now that's a boob discussion.
There's a gap of almost 30 years between Galaxy's Child and All Good Things... that's more than enough time for them to let things slide and start over. I don't think that just because you get in a relationship with someone you automatically stop thinking that those cringy moments are cringy. Maybe at the beginning, before the rose-colored glasses come off. But I think even during the rosy phase it was more like a tacit agreement between the two not to discuss the holoprogram, ever.
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