Spoilers Game of Thrones: The Final Season

[HugeLobes]

I agree if it weren’t for that Jon would make more sense. But Gendry? Nobody would go for him. Bran might not be personally well known to all but the Starks are, and they are free to jazz up his story however they want to make him exciting.

And I like Tyrion’s attempt to set up a succession process that isn’t about genetics. After Jaffrey I think everyone would agree automatically going to the son is a bad idea.

Gendry kinda is the legal choice though. Granted it was Dany who legitimised him, but he seems to still be Lord of Storms End.

Going with a succession process that isn’t based on genetics is very problematic. Peasants and royalty alike tended to celebrate when Kings produced male heirs because it generally meant stability. When nobody knows who the next king will be, you get lots of rival factions gunning to put their man on the throne. This produces a lot of political instability, which is bad for everyone. Again, the main cause of the War of Five Kings was that there wasn’t a clear successor.

The new rule should simply be to go by genetics but maybe give the incest a rest.

EDIT:

Robert was hardly well loved, he was known as a drunk.

Robert was incredibly well loved. His main strength throughout the rebellion was an ability to make people like him, and he put on a ridiculous number of tournaments with big prizes once he took the throne. His main weakness was that he wasn’t raised to be king, so he had no notion of what to do and didn’t bother teaching his own son.

 

[theenglish]

Yeah, I would say it's Bran because the other two had been predicted many times for a long time.

Stephen King predicted it, and apparently people are going back to the hints from Season 1--so I think this probably was GRRM's moment.

 

[theenglish]

People turn to vices all the time to get away from aspects of their lives and then sometimes it turns into an addiction.

Reports are suggesting that he is going in for stress and heavy drinking--which is heavy drinking FROM stress related causes. Just because people have periods in their lives when they overindulge in drugs or alcohol does not make them life long addicts. There is a difference between being an addict and being addicted to something.

 

[HugeLobes]

Stephen King predicted it, and apparently people are going back to the hints from Season 1--so I think this probably was GRRM's moment.

Well, if anyone knows something about messing up a once great series...

Seriously though, I’m sure everyone from Gilly to Ghost has a long thread somewhere explaining how they were always going to sit on the iron throne IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THE CLUES.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Daenerys was essentially Anakin Skywalker.
Getting constantly more powerful and utterly convinced to be the Chosen one, which automatically gave her the right to decide what‘s right and what’s wrong.
She felt entitled to her magic birthright and ultimately decided that she needed to cleanse what she came to see as irreversibly corrupted.

Incidentally that was also Thanos‘ motivation.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Gendry kinda is the legal choice though. Granted it was Dany who legitimised him, but he seems to still be Lord of Storms End.

Going with a succession process that isn’t based on genetics is very problematic. Peasants and royalty alike tended to celebrate when Kings produced male heirs because it generally meant stability. When nobody knows who the next king will be, you get lots of rival factions gunning to put their man on the throne. This produces a lot of political instability, which is bad for everyone. Again, the main cause of the War of Five Kings was that there wasn’t a clear successor.

The new rule should simply be to go by genetics but maybe give the incest a rest.

Gendry was only 'Legal' based on people who created a system to help their own familial best interest. If you were designing a system from the ground up, would you really give power automatically to a person just for being born, or would you try to create a system that prevents violent psychopaths from getting unquestioned power?

Use Ancient Rome as an example. Genetic succession gave us Caligula and Nero. Non-genetic succession gave us the Golden Era, the most stable, prosperous era in all of Roman history.

You think incest is the only way to get insane children and succession squabbles?

Having successors chosen by committee is probably a recipe for the power behind the throne to become the real power, but that's how it's always been anyway. And it's likely to result in sane, stable people being chosen by a competent self selected small council.

 

[HugeLobes]

Gendry was only 'Legal' based on people who created a system to help their own familial best interest. If you were designing a system from the ground up, would you really give power automatically to a person just for being born, or would you try to create a system that prevents violent psychopaths from getting unquestioned power?

Use Ancient Rome as an example. Genetic succession gave us Caligula and Nero. Non-genetic succession gave us the Golden Era, the most stable, prosperous era in all of Roman history.

You think incest is the only way to get insane children and succession squabbles?

Having successors chosen by committee is probably a recipe for the power behind the throne to become the real power, but that's how it's always been anyway. And it's likely to result in sane, stable people being chosen by a competent self selected small council.

Is that the same Ancient Rome where the republic was succeeded by imperial rule largely because people got sick of political instability and frequent warring factions? Rome’s golden era was the Pax Romana, which occurred when they got their first Emperor. Also, Caligula and Nero were not the sons of previous emperors. They were chosen.

Yes, Gendry is only legal because of an imagined system everyone subscribed to, but that applies to every law. I’d absolutely put that kind of power structure in place during this kind of medieval period. It is no coincidence that such a system was so widespread before mass literacy and education. Not perfect, but it worked.

I’m sorry, but all bets are off the table once the throne is up for grabs. Here’s what happens now: every Lord starts looking at their sons and seeing the next king. Once the current king starts to get old or sick, you’ll have several factions with their own choice, and they’re not going to resist stooping to immoral actions to push their choice through. This doesnt usually lead to ‘sane, stable people being chosen by a competent self selected small council'. What you’d actually get is groups of competing lords, each with their own army, trying to put their own man on the throne to secure huge political and economic advantage.

As for eliminating incest, that would be a pretty big win. It’s not the only way you get succession squabbles and madness, but it sure helps. The War of the Five Kings and Roberts Rebellion wouldn’t have happened without it.

 

[Starkers]

Gendry was only 'Legal' based on people who created a system to help their own familial best interest. If you were designing a system from the ground up, would you really give power automatically to a person just for being born, or would you try to create a system that prevents violent psychopaths from getting unquestioned power?

Use Ancient Rome as an example. Genetic succession gave us Caligula and Nero. Non-genetic succession gave us the Golden Era, the most stable, prosperous era in all of Roman history.

You think incest is the only way to get insane children and succession squabbles?

Having successors chosen by committee is probably a recipe for the power behind the throne to become the real power, but that's how it's always been anyway. And it's likely to result in sane, stable people being chosen by a competent self selected small council.

Yeah essentially from here on in Westeros is run by the Civil Service, which while it has disadvantages has advantages as well.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Yeah essentially from here on in Westeros is run by the Civil Service, which while it has disadvantages has advantages as well.

Now you have me picturing Tyrion as Sir Humphrey.

 

[Jax]

Tyrion wishes he was as good with words as the great Humphrey's.

 

[Cyrus]

This article kind of confirms that Bran becoming king was the 3rd "Holy shit" moment:
http://www.makinggameofthrones.com/...-finale-isaac-hempstead-wright-bran-interview

 

[Turtletrekker]

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[publiusr]

Now, I might have done the last episode a bit differently. The last scene comes first, with Tormund leading his friends back North with Sir Davos, who sets the scene for us. Arya as explorer, the scene with the Small Council, that Davos later resigns from--wanting to go back North to make sure that everything is still. Tormund asks Sir Davos just what happened to Jon.

Then, Bran's last vision. Of Dany not quite being able to sit, then John.

Che and Evita, together again

The blade slides home.

Drogon rises, as Jon sits.

Drogon sniffs at Dany's remains.

Jon makes eye contact with the Dragon and says but one word.

"Dracarys"

Jon is immolated, and the credits roll as the Throne melts behind....

The last scene?

One of Bran's wheels breaks.

That's my ending.

 

[Cyrus]

Interesting that D&D didn't make an "Inside the episode" segment for the final episode, as they did for every other episode of the series. I haven't seen them do any interviews either since the series ended. Are they pissed by the some of the negative reactions after putting their heart and soul into the series, or are they too busy working on their Star Wars film?

 

[137th Gebirg]

They may simply be too scared to appear in public.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

Interesting that D&D didn't make an "Inside the episode" segment for the final episode, as they did for every other episode of the series. I haven't seen them do any interviews either since the series ended. Are they pissed by the some of the negative reactions after putting their heart and soul into the series, or are they too busy working on their Star Wars film?

Reports were that D&D had been off grid prior to season 8 airing. Presumably, they had anticipated the backlash last year. When they were still filming. They haven't talked publically about the show wrapping up or the finale.

They left the building while it was still standing and moved their flag to Disney and Star Wars.

 

[Kelthaz]

The Long Night episode we almost had.

Game Of Thrones' director Miguel Sapochnik talks getting "visually policed" by showrunners

He also says he argued with Benioff and Weiss over the battle’s dearth of impactful deaths. “I wanted to kill everyone,” he says in news that really makes us wish he were running the show. “I wanted to kill Jorah in the horse charge at the beginning. I wanted it to be ruthless, so in the first 10 minutes you could say all bets are off, anyone could die. But David and Dan didn’t want to. There was a lot of back and forth on that.” Sapochnick says he eventually relented because “there comes a point when they dig in and you just don’t want to be there.”

Sigh

 

[StarMan]

Well, when you finally see the Army of the Dead hit the troops like a violent tsunami, it beggars belief anyone would have survived that charge.

 

[HugeLobes]

Kept getting reminded of TWD when Michonne chopped of her walker's hands and jaws so they couldn't bite or scratch. Swear Brienne and Jamie were just getting gummed to death for like 30 minutes.

Very uncomfortable.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Production has begun on the prequel series. I thought about starting a thread, but decided that it could wait until the show has a title.

https://ew.com/tv/2019/06/18/game-of-thrones-prequel-filming/