Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by The Scrooge Doctor, Nov 1, 2018.
I am playing ME 2 after ME 1, but I won't play ME 3 because of the terrible ending
I'm a little bit more forgiving in that regard. I'll still play ME3, but I just don't bother playing past Thessia. I mean the Citadel DLC alone is worth at least a partial ME3 playthrough IMO.
The ending DLC adding the cut scene made the ending quite tolerable to me.
I just prefer to imagine Citadel as the actual ending.
What I loved about season 8
*Sansa becoming queen of an independant North
*The Hound’s most noble moment in which he turned Arya away from a life of revenge, and The Hound killing The Mountain
*Jon ending up beyond The Wall, he would have been miserable as a king.
*Jorah and Lyanna Mormont’s heroic deaths
*Arya killing the Night King.
*Arya and Gendry together
Things I liked about season 8
*Dany showing her true nature, I do think there could have been bit of a bigger build up to it
*Jon stabbing Dany
*Cersei dying as all she had fought for came tumbling down around her
*Tyrion becoming the Hand
*Gendry being recognised as a Baratheon
Things that were ‘meh’
*Bronn getting Highgarden (I thought ‘The Twins’ would have been better)
*Bran becoming king - it really should have been better explained.
*Not enough main character killed during the Battle of Winterfell - I felt some of the following should have been killed - Brienne or Pod, Gilly or Sam, Grey Worm.
Things I hated - nothing really
EDITED TO ADD -
* the lack of chemistry between Jon and Daenerys
*Sam becoming Grand Maester
Overall I gave the season 7.5/10. I cannot understand why some people’s reaction to it was so bad.
Sam and Brienne were needed for the small council. I wish they had killed Greyworm, he was a real a-hole the rest of the series. But I guess they needed him exactly for that reason,
What have you got against poor Sam? He is supposedly the character that represents GRRM.
I have no real problem with him being on the Small Council just with him being a Grand Maester when he had spent so little time at the Citadel. I would have preferred him to become Lord of Highgarden or Lord of Horn Hill. If Gilly was dead he could end up raising Little Sam.
If Brienne had died maybe Pod could have been on the Small Council.
Prequel to feature Starks but no Lannisters, 100 petty kingdoms and... Mammoths.
As Lann the Clever will not be in it, I hope that Durran Godsgrief will be.
It's not *that* bad and certainly not bad enough to deprive yourself of some great character moments.
If you don't at least finish Horizon you'll be missing somebody major from the Citadel DLC. And I mean, I can't tell anybody how to enjoy the game but there's enough good stuff even after Horizon - the conversation about the nature of Shepherd, the brief conversations with everybody in London, and especially the last conversaton with Anderson all stood out for me.
But definitely, the Citadel DLC is worth at least playing for.
I forget, was Horizon after Thessia? I guess I should have said "everything prior to the PONR autosave".
Either way, it's not like I haven't already played though the whole game and all the DLC's multiple times and seen all the major end-states.
For the record though, i tend to play Citadel after the Rannoch mission since that's about when the ship needing a refit seems to make the most sense to me, and when you finally get all old squadmates back. Omega, I usually do right after the coup attempt for obvious reasons and Overlord gets done whenever; generally scattered across most of the playthough since it involves a lot of back and forth.
Horizon was after Thessia, yeah. That's makes sense about "before the PONR autosave." The thing about doing Citadel after Rannoch, unless you just mean the missions and not the social stuff/party to follow, is you'll miss out on
for sure, which may or may not be important of course to everybody. But your way makes sense for the mission, and then party right before the PONR.
The show picked up a record-breaking 32 Emmy nominations, including a few surprises: Kit Harrington for Lead Actor, Alfie Allen for Supporting Actor, and Lena Headey for Supporting Actress (only surprising because she had so little to do in the final season). Sophie Turner, Maisie Williams, Gwendoline Christie, Peter Dinklage, and Nikolaj Coster-Waldeau all got Supporting Actress/Actor nominations, while Emilia Clarke picked up Lead Actress and Caprice van Houten picked up Guest Actress.
But perhaps most controversial of all, "The Iron Throne" was nominated for Writing, the show's only writing nomination. The series finale also picked up for Directing, along with "The Long Night" and "The Last of the Starks."
The haters are going to be PISSED! The final episode is currently one of the lowest rated pieces of television of all time on IMDB (which is ludicrous)
I hope that Alfie Allen takes out the Best Supporting Actor award. Also Miguel Sapochniki deserves an award for his direction of ‘The Long Night’. Plus any music or cinematography award will be deserved IMO.
Even though there was a drop in quality this final season, it was still excellent compared to other television on the air. It is idiotic that people are rating the final episode the way they have.
I agree that the final season was excellent overall, contrary to some of the outlandish backlash it has gotten, particularly "The Iron Throne." It certainly deserves a lot of these nominations, I'm just surprised the number and range. It feels a bit like Return of the King with the Oscars, although Game of Thrones had already gotten plenty of Emmys prior to this season, including those for actors (or at least, Peter Dinklage). Question is will it be able to sweep the actor categories or will the proliferation cause splits in the votes (for the supporting awards)?
Kit Harington on his Emmy nomination: "I dun want et."
Sums up my stance pretty well.. i too expected many more deaths in the Winterfell battle and Cersei to go out in a much more spectacular fashion (maybe burned or eaten by Drogon) but overall it was ok.
Main problem was that it felt rushed.. running from event to event with few character moments in between (one of the high points was the fireplace scene before the Winterfell battle where several characters just sat around, talked and enjoyed the company of each other).
Dany's fall was telegraphed way ahead for several seasons.. she was always ruthless and manipulative at times but it could be easily justified because her targets were evil men (her brother selling her basically into servitude to Drogo, the Slave Masters, the Dothraki Khals etc) but when she started to abandon mercy when it was easy to do such as when she burned the Tarly's just because they fought against her she stepped over the line.
I always wondered if the quality decline of the show was due to not having Martin's books to rely on or if the source material itself (they had extensive story meetings with Martin during pre-production and during production) was in decline by Martin himself whose general plan for all main characters just won't cut it in the eyes of the fans. Then again Martin will have far more space to explain character motivations which may make Dany's fall more easily acceptable (among others) or maybe he's written himself into a corner and has no idea how to get out (which may explain him writing anything but A Song of Ice and Fire main novels).
I cannot understand why people did not see Daenerys’ fall coming, it was quite obvious to me she was going to go that way since the early seasons. I am surprised how many people excused her what ever she did.
People who said things such as -
The people at Kings Landing deserved to be burned to death because they cheered when Ned was beheaded despite only a few hundred out of a million people actually cheered and despite the fact that many good people where raised in or lived in Kings Landing (Gendry, Hot Pie, Pod)
Using the excuse that Daenerys lost so much as justification for Dany murdered 1000s and 1000s of people. Yet many characters suffered quite significant losses. The same people who support Dany for burning Mirri Maz Duur because Dany lost Drogo and her unborn baby are totally unsympathetic to how much Mirri Maz Duur lost.
I think this shows how many people tend to see things only in black and white at least when it comes to their TV viewing.
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