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The BORG, and the Lost potential

Pretty much this.

Earlier the Borg was a faceless enemy and you couldn't negotiate with it.
Then here comes the Queen. She gave the Borg a personality and has nice chats with a hero crew.
Did the Queen in First Contact really negotiate? It's been a little while since I've watched, but I don't think there was any true negotiation that the Borg had any intention of honoring, was there?

I can understand the appeal of a faceless Borg (I liked it too), but I think there's only so much you can do with a faceless enemy before it just doesn't work the same anymore. If anything, I think they just should have abandoned the Queen from the beginning and used the Borg much more sporadically in Voyager.
 
Well, as I intimated above, I can see the need to put a face on the faceless, but I wish the face had been more of an avatar, and one that wasn't necessarily a "Queen" every single time.
 
Did the Queen in First Contact really negotiate? It's been a little while since I've watched, but I don't think there was any true negotiation that the Borg had any intention of honoring, was there?
I guess my negotiations I meant talking, earlier the Borg said what they wanted and then did their thing.
Queen was something to have a dialogue with.

I can understand the appeal of a faceless Borg (I liked it too), but I think there's only so much you can do with a faceless enemy before it just doesn't work the same anymore.
Maybe that means the Borg is a foe that can be used only few times.
 
I understand the need for a "face" when you are dealing with a recurring foe in order to better identify with them but in case of the Borg it proved it did not work for them because they are not such a type of "villain". (they are not motivated by expansion, wealth, and power for its own sake)

Maybe that means the Borg is a foe that can be used only few times.

That is the simple truth. They can perhaps be explored a bit more perhaps through other sources but modifying them has shown that it weakens them on the long run.
The Borg are pretty straight forward in their goals and way they work, they may try alternative methods of conquest/assimilation but they are never going to do some long game because that is not the way they think. (they are not Cardassians or Romulans)

I can understand the appeal of a faceless Borg (I liked it too), but I think there's only so much you can do with a faceless enemy before it just doesn't work the same anymore. If anything, I think they just should have abandoned the Queen from the beginning and used the Borg much more sporadically in Voyager.

That would have been better. I do think the Borg should have appeared on Voyager as Voyager was in its home quadrant but it should have been a foe that Voyager would try to avoid as much as possible and not actually something they would try to engage.

Storylines should perhaps have been about Voyager trying to escape a pursuing Borg vessel, or trying to assist another species/civilization to repel the Borg from assimilating them but no stories in which Voyager's crew would take on the full might of the Collective alone. (would only work if Voyager had dozens of allies and even then it would probably be a mostly one sided battle)

Of course this doesn't matter because the damage has already been done but this is how the Borg probably should have been treated.

Edit: JesterFace, have you checked out Star Trek Borg on Youtube yet? Someone took all the movie clips of the interactive movie game and made it into an episode.
 
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I still remember the most hilariously intentionally(?) meta line from Chakotay late in the series: "It's not every day we go looking for the Borg."

Really Chuckles? Because it was sure starting to feel like it. :p
 
I still remember the most hilariously intentionally(?) meta line from Chakotay late in the series: "It's not every day we go looking for the Borg."

Really Chuckles? Because it was sure starting to feel like it. :p

For some reason, it reminds me of the scene where Q says "mine's bigger" and Janeway's retort is "Not big enough"... I am pretty sure the implied meaning was intentional.
 
Edit: JesterFace, have you checked out Star Trek Borg on Youtube yet? Someone took all the movie clips of the interactive movie game and made it into an episode.

I don't remember I would have watched something like that, thanks for the info.
Other people here might also find this interesting.
 
The following are the video segments of a Star Trek Interactive movie game called Star Trek Borg that was released some time before Star Trek First Contact (I think Voyager was already airing).
Depending on what decisions the player made the game would player out differently and sometimes the player would have to make bad choices in order to learn something vital needed to proceed the game after returning to a point before the player would have to make a decision.

Someone spliced the segments that are part of the right path together, creating a sort of unofficial episode.
There are some inconsistencies with the timeline such as the uniforms.

John De Lancie starts in this as Q

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For some reason I can't make the video start over from the start (problem that has been occuring ever since Youtube "remembers" at what point you may have closed the video.
People may have to manual reset it in order to watch it from the start.
 
Should there have been more of a Borg presence in the Delta Quadrant, and should civilizations have been less advance to be under the radar? If so, how massive should the Borg had been?
 
^ I used to think so, but I dunno...it's a big quadrant. Still, maybe some line in there about having to take a 15,000 lightyear detour arc back just to remain a safe distance along the outermost possible stretches of Borg space. (It's not like anyone knew where the ship was on its path at any given time anyway.) The Borg could still have shown up whenever we wanted over years despite the ship traveling at high warp on its way back....given how fast the ship was, it's a wonder the Malon or others were seen more than a couple times during a single season.

The under the radar thing is interesting. Maybe like the humans in the Pegasus Galaxy on Stargate Atlantis, afraid of being culled? I suppose it depends on whether the Borg discriminated in their spread across space. Weren't we all a little disappointed they'd let you go if you didn't meet the mustache-twirling Queen's standard?
 
I always felt that was part of the reason the Borg didn't get to Kazon or Vidiian space... all that area seemed to have subpar tech, compared to Voyager, certainly. I know the Nekrit Expanse is a good reason why the Borg haven't crossed, since losing one cube so easily could deter them. Maybe the Borg knew they were subpar, given they DID encounter the Kazon, and waited until that region got more advanced before assimilating.
 
Transwarp was invented or discovered during TOS movie era but it's the Borg's way of traveling through space. I was wondering if the Borg's transwarp is different from the Federation's Transwarp drive or is their version's function different but calling it Transwarp helped them identify their speed based on a close proximity of the configuration?
 
Transwarp was invented or discovered during TOS movie era but it's the Borg's way of traveling through space. I was wondering if the Borg's transwarp is different from the Federation's Transwarp drive or is their version's function different but calling it Transwarp helped them identify their speed based on a close proximity of the configuration?
"Transwarp" is just the word starfleet uses to refer to any speeds beyond their current warp speeds.
 
Perhaps Borghood is a endstate attained by multiple civilizations over time, such as translation to non-corporeal form has been shown to be.
 
Perhaps Borghood is a endstate attained by multiple civilizations over time, such as translation to non-corporeal form has been shown to be.

I don't know but highly mechanized civilizations are more likely to evolve toward general laziness where people hardly ever get out of bed. Since everything is automatized, there's no more need for human physical work. The people's brains would be the last things doing any work until they'd be finally replaced by AIs.
 
^ I dunno about that. I’m at the gym right now precisely because I felt myself physically and mentally wasting and miserable at home.
 
Perhaps the Borg just don't have very much potential to lose. What are some proposed storylines for Q-Who type borg?
 
And yet you had to be on a device while doing so...
I think that’s too reductivist. I like listening to podcasts while working out. It’s the only time I allow myself them, and I find it’s a Pavlovian thing...whenever I hear Marc Maron’s voice, I feel I should be lifting something lol

Most others around me listen to music of one form or another. And there are memes about the crushing moment you get to the gym and realize you forgot your headphones. I used to work in data entry, and there was a similar moment there when you couldn’t listen to anything while working — productivity went way down as all you had to focus on was the data.
 
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